Well I've decided to go Thumper and I'm selling my 96 KTM 360MXC. I need a little help/opinions to make the final decision. Take into account that I'm a lard a$$, 6'2", 210lbs and ride 80% woods, 10% on a homemade track and 10% on fast fire trails. I may get into hare scrambles, someday, but that will be as close to racing as I’ll ever get. I’ve only ridden about 5 years on a real bike but I found the 520EXC more manageable than my 360. I plan on keeping this bike at least 10 years (the 360 is going a little early). I've narrowed my decision down between the KTM 525EXC, 450EXC and the Yamaha WR450, rejecting Cannondale, Honda, VOR, Husaburg and others for things like long term part availability, being boat anchors et cetera, et cetera. Below is how I’ve rated the different characteristics, I’ve only actually ridden the 520EXC and a (YZ250) so most of the ratings I’ve deduced from Magazines. Because most Mags are written for the MX group I have a hard time knowing how well their critiques transfer to woods riding. Please let me know where I’m off base. Note: I’m not including cost, by the time you update the WR with good foot pegs, a comfortable seat, handle bars, triple clamps, flywheel weight, o-ring chain, hyd clutch and frame protectors the cost is very close. Most of the above is to get more comfortable on the WR, the EXC just seems to fit better and wouldn't require the above alterations. Engine 525EXC=10 450EXC=8 WR450=9 WR needs flywheel weight Drivetrain 525EXC=10 450EXC=10 WR450=9 KTM has hyd clutch + 6 speeds Handling 525EXC=8 450EXC=8.5 WR450=9.5 KTM new offset triple clamp Suspension 525EXC=8 450EXC=8 WR450=9.5 Yam has best for MX, for woods? Ergos 525EXC=9 450EXC=9 WR450=8 Yam will need seat, pegs, bars and t-clamp Breaks 525EXC=9 450EXC=9 WR450=9 Weight 525EXC=9 450EXC=9 WR450=9 A bigger diff would be if I could lose lbs. Part Avail 525EXC=8 450EXC=8 WR450=10 I own a KTM - I Know Relib/Durability 525EXC=10 450EXC=10 WR450=9 Yam looks old quick, KTM is higher quality Starting 525EXC=10 450EXC=10 WR450=9.5 Yam got better but not as good as KTM So after adveraging the scores the WR450=9.15 the 525EXC=9.10 and the 450EXC=8.95. So where do you disagree.