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I have had a few people tell me the Socialist Republic of Kalifornia are going to out law two stroke bikes altogether in the near future.

I am looking to sell my kids KX85 and move him up to a 125. He is to small for a four stoke 250 thumper and besides that I really do not like em very much.

If I wanted a bike like a Harley I would go buy a Harley.

Are the Motorcycle Companies pushing this so they can get the $850.00 plus rebuilds to pad their books? Is any of this true or is it just BS?

Gowd I hate Hippies.

Algore and Obama burn 30000 gallons of jet fuel a day and the Hippies are concerned about a two stroke dirt bike? Fly those jets on solar power and then come and talk to me about a two stroke bike.

Where is the AMA on these issues? They seem to only care about the pro MX industry and the amatures can pay dues and pound sand.

Thanks for any info. and the four stroke guys are welcome to flame me for bashing their bikes.

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Sounds to me like you need to do some actual research rather than believing every rumor and horror story you hear. Regardless of what California does, it would be near impossible to eliminate the grandfather clause, so two strokes will never be completely banned. There are other two strokes around (weed whackers, chain saws, etc), and I don't see them banning all of these anytime soon.

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$850+ rebuilds?? th1_4_110.gif

Just kidding, but seriously, thats not true unless you have a freak accident and need to rip apart your bottom end. Thats going to cost you with any bike.

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OK, so what is the cost to rebuild the top end of a 4 stroke?

Two stroke is ring, a few gaskets, and 400 grit sand paper. $60.00 and 2.5 hours labor. I rebuild my own so I do not have labor cost.

A 4 stroke? say a crf250. How many hours labor? I know of a guy who will do a valve adjustment for $150.00

When I looked into the over priced crf150r I was told it cost about $850.00 to do the top end by the sales guy.

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OK, so what is the cost to rebuild the top end of a 4 stroke?

Two stroke is ring, a few gaskets, and 400 grit sand paper. $60.00 and 2.5 hours labor. I rebuild my own so I do not have labor cost.

A 4 stroke? say a crf250. How many hours labor? I know of a guy who will do a valve adjustment for $150.00

When I looked into the over priced crf150r I was told it cost about $850.00 to do the top end by the sales guy.

If you can do a top end on a two stroke, you can do one on a four stroke. It is the same process with one extra step thrown in, taking the cam chain off before you take the head off. I put a top end in my 250F this winter and it cost me $107 for parts and shipping and took me 2 hours to do. It takes 10 minutes to check the valves, and an extra 5 minutes if you have to adjust them (which is very rare on most newer models, especially Yamaha's). Should you ever need to replace the valves (which shouldn't happen for at least 150 hours of riding if you do proper maintenance), it still isn't all that expensive. It will cost you between $200 and $300 in parts depending on the bike (yamaha's are more since they have 5 valves instead of 4), $50 to have the seats cut, and about 3 hours of your time. As long as you do the proper maintenance, these bikes aren't anymore expensive than a two stroke since the top ends last twice as long as a two stroke. They get expensive when they are neglected and then they blow up and take out the head, cylinder, piston, crank, and cases.

Your shop came up with the $850 cost of a rebuild by looking at full OEM pricing of parts (which is almost double the price you can buy the same parts for from most places) for a top end, and full valve replacement. They then added on labor cost, most likely around $70 and hour. Shops also tend to charge labor for longer periods of time then it actually takes them. They would most likely charge 3 hours of labor for a top end, when it really only took them 2 hours.

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KJ790.

Thanks, that was some good info.

Will have to look in what bike to buy and re-check the 4 strokes.

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Ask ANY dealer - they'll confirm this. Didn't the EPA just setup a "turn in your two stroke day" at all the local garbage transfer stations? I heard you can turn in any smoker and get a $250 credit towards the purchase of a new four stroke.:):D

Both Yamaha and KTM and Husqvarna and GasGas STILL make two strokes for the 2009 model year. Many of these are closed course competition use only bikes that have NO requirements they must adhere to on either noise or emissions.

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Many of these are closed course competition use only bikes that have NO requirements they must adhere to on either noise or emissions.

The problem in California is the OHV Parks owned by the Tax Payers and run by Algore type Nazi's.

Not that long ago the money that was supose to go to the OHV Parks was being moved to Golden Gate Park so all of the limp wristers had more money then they knew what to spend it on and the OHV Parks were run into the ground.

The time limits and cost on competition type courses make them impratical for many riders. If ya don't race you don't ride much of the time.

If the AMA and the Bike Shops in California had two brain cells they could rub together. They would buy some land for people to ride on and increase their sells. It would not be rocket science to do in a economy where you can make some great deals on land:excuseme:

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Many of these are closed course competition use only bikes that have NO requirements they must adhere to on either noise or emissions.

The problem in California is the OHV Parks owned by the Tax Payers and run by Algore type Nazi's.

Not that long ago the money that was supose to go to the OHV Parks was being moved to Golden Gate Park so all of the limp wristers had more money then they knew what to spend it on and the OHV Parks were run into the ground.

The time limits and cost on competition type courses make them impratical for many riders. If ya don't race you don't ride much of the time.

If the AMA and the Bike Shops in California had two brain cells they could rub together. They would buy some land for people to ride on and increase their sells. It would not be rocket science to do in a economy where you can make some great deals on land:excuseme:

You can still ride the polluting two stroke on public land. 03 and higher is red sticker and subject to their closure dates and locations. An 02 and older bike can be ridden wherever/whenever provided it has a tag and spark arrestor.

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You can still ride the polluting two stroke on public land. 03 and higher is red sticker and subject to their closure dates and locations. An 02 and older bike can be ridden wherever/whenever provided it has a tag and spark arrestor.

That gets back to the start of this thread.

1st. I am hearing the Nazis want to close OHV Parks to two strokes.

2nd. A two stroke will not run long blown up, but a four stroke will run a long time and polute far more after the top end goes. Just look at that 20 year old lawn mower your grandpa will not part with.

3rd. Two strokes do not smoke much when you run them up to temp.

4th. To ride a two stroke you have to have some ability and any tard can run a four stroke.

5th. Who is the Government to tell you what you can ride on tax payer land? What is to stop them from outlawing any and all OHV?

Soon these clowns are going to show up at your home each moring around 7:30 AM to make sure you wiped your bottom correctly and did not use more then your alloted TP squares.

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You can still ride the polluting two stroke on public land. 03 and higher is red sticker and subject to their closure dates and locations. An 02 and older bike can be ridden wherever/whenever provided it has a tag and spark arrestor.

That gets back to the start of this thread.

1st. I am hearing the Nazis want to close OHV Parks to two strokes.

2nd. A two stroke will not run long blown up, but a four stroke will run a long time and polute far more after the top end goes. Just look at that 20 year old lawn mower your grandpa will not part with.

3rd. Two strokes do not smoke much when you run them up to temp.

4th. To ride a two stroke you have to have some ability and any tard can run a four stroke.

5th. Who is the Government to tell you what you can ride on tax payer land? What is to stop them from outlawing any and all OHV?

Soon these clowns are going to show up at your home each moring around 7:30 AM to make sure you wiped your bottom correctly and did not use more then your alloted TP squares.

Don't ever think I criticized a two stroke.

I ride a 2007 YZ250 TWO STROKE - proudly. It's my third YZ. Before that I had one KX250, a KDX200, a KDX220, and two RM250s.:)

Due to budget cuts the Gov. wouldn't actually show up and inspect your potty regime. Instead, they'd designate your neighbor to do their deed and snoop on you and provide full report back to the Gov regarding your habits. All this in the name of preventing world catastrophe (aka climate change).

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4th. To ride a two stroke you have to have some ability and any tard can run a four stroke.

i think that is getting a bit harsh ??!!!:)

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You can still ride the polluting two stroke on public land. 03 and higher is red sticker and subject to their closure dates and locations. An 02 and older bike can be ridden wherever/whenever provided it has a tag and spark arrestor.

How much is traction control, they didn't over me that option.

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4th. To ride a two stroke you have to have some ability and any tard can run a four stroke.

Thats asking for trouble on here. And obviously thats a bullshit thing for YOU to be saying since you have already shown your lack of knowledge towards modern 4 strokes. Oh, and this is THUMPERtalk-straight talk about FOUR STROKES. Now, I don't know anything about what is going on in california, so I can't help you there since I live in PA, but I do know that four strokes in PA and four strokes in CA are the same.

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At least you have public riding areas. New York state has now closed the last public riding area and is now focusing on closing people's private riding areas and personal tracks. Everyone in cali thinks they have it so bad, but they aren't much different than other states.

In regard to pollution, two strokes do pollute significantly more than four strokes, even when they are up to temperature (just b/c you can't see smoke doesn't mean they are not polluting). However, the amount of pollution put out by motorcycles in general is very small in comparison to cars, trucks, and airplanes.

As for the whole two stroke-four stroke debate, don't even go there.

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You can still ride the polluting two stroke on public land. 03 and higher is red sticker and subject to their closure dates and locations. An 02 and older bike can be ridden wherever/whenever provided it has a tag and spark arrestor.

That gets back to the start of this thread.

1st. I am hearing the Nazis want to close OHV Parks to two strokes.

2nd. A two stroke will not run long blown up, but a four stroke will run a long time and polute far more after the top end goes. Just look at that 20 year old lawn mower your grandpa will not part with.

3rd. Two strokes do not smoke much when you run them up to temp.

4th. To ride a two stroke you have to have some ability and any tard can run a four stroke.

5th. Who is the Government to tell you what you can ride on tax payer land? What is to stop them from outlawing any and all OHV?

Soon these clowns are going to show up at your home each moring around 7:30 AM to make sure you wiped your bottom correctly and did not use more then your alloted TP squares.

SOunds like you already have your mind made up lol:thumbsup:

Thats asking for trouble on here. And obviously thats a bullshit thing for YOU to be saying since you have already shown your lack of knowledge towards modern 4 strokes. Oh, and this is THUMPERtalk-straight talk about FOUR STROKES. Now, I don't know anything about what is going on in california, so I can't help you there since I live in PA, but I do know that four strokes in PA and four strokes in CA are the same.

Wrong. It does not say Straight talk about 4strokes anymore. Judging from your 2007 crf250 (being about a year old) You should wait a little longer before you suggest 4Ts are not a big deal to maintain.

At least you have public riding areas. New York state has now closed the last public riding area and is now focusing on closing people's private riding areas and personal tracks. Everyone in cali thinks they have it so bad, but they aren't much different than other states.

In regard to pollution, two strokes do pollute significantly more than four strokes, even when they are up to temperature (just b/c you can't see smoke doesn't mean they are not polluting). However, the amount of pollution put out by motorcycles in general is very small in comparison to cars, trucks, and airplanes.

As for the whole two stroke-four stroke debate, don't even go there.

HAHA seriously I dont have the energy for another:crazy:

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Wrong. It does not say Straight talk about 4strokes anymore. Judging from your 2007 crf250 (being about a year old) You should wait a little longer before you suggest 4Ts are not a big deal to maintain.

Oh sorry...http://www.cafepress.com/thumpertalk/402258

I guess I'm the only one who does maintenance before my bike is atleast two years old? Guess your right, and i'm wrong. I better start putting aside 1000 dollars for maintenance when my bike turns two.:)

You can just disregard everything I say though, since i'm only 16 and I don't know anything. Maybe in two years we can pick this back up and I'll have a completely different view on this subject. And even though I don't have anywhere near as much experience, knowledge, or skill as alot of the people on here, I still know what I have learned so far. And you know where I have learned everything I know about my bike? First hand experience. You know who does all maintenance to my bike? I do. Do you know who pays for it all? I do. Thats why I do as much research as I can before buying things. So go ahead and give me bad gas or call me immature, ignorant, or whatever you want, because I have said what I needed to say. I didn't go on what anyone else said on these topics, I went with what I knew.

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