I should know this but I am drawing a blank. I didn't renew my STL permit for several reasons but anyway I need a place for the family to ride (new riders) and hang out that is not on STL and preferably doesn't have any quad tards. I now, I know.....I am asking a lot. Lower Sycamore would be perfect except for the tards. Box Canyon staging areas are STL. Suggestions.....ideas?