I have to agree with you guys about the "toughness" of HD riders vs. the off-road rider. I have never met a wimpy dirtbiker, i have heard stories. My father told me that back when he had his KTM 250SX in the 80's that there was a guy who would ride with him, on CR 500. The stories i've heard go like this: he would never really RIDE, just watch everyone else. He really couldn't ride, because all that big bike did was spin the tire on him, and it was always bald because he was afraid to replace it and get some traction. So he just rode out to the pits, and sat, and watched.