Not! Geez, after reading the thread on WR450 or VOR450EN I'm sure glad that I decided to go orange! Boy, how many of you guys have even riden a KTM before you start bashing the suspension? I can tell you that the KTM guys don't bad mouth your bikes like you guys do ours! To each his own, live and let live, blah, blah, blah, I say. I loved my last Yamaha road bike, but the quality of components and the details and finish of the KTM is second to none compared to the Japanese production dirt bikes. Alabama, you should come over to the orange side and I think that you will find a similar enthusiasm for bikes without the defensive posture I see exhibited here. Over there we only argue about oil and stainless steel oil filters, nor whether one of our dirt brotha's bought the right bike or not! Live and ride (and I don't really care what color of bike you guys ride ride, at least I got what I want!). I'd say lighten up blue brotha's!