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I was thinking the other day about how the 2 stroke has been getting some press and attention lately. There is a lot of talk about saving the 2 stroke. That made me think about what it would take to save it.

There is only 1 way to save the 2 stroke. You have to buy new ones. The factories will not produce what does not sell on the dealership floor.

Most guys on this forum already have an oil burner. We need to do what we can to convince our friends and riding buddies that are in the market for a bike to look at and consider a NEW 2 stroke.

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Funny thing is, you hardly EVER see them on the dealer floor, and it's not because they never recieve any shipments, it's because they sell out so fast, but the dealers don't wanna order more (for whatever reason).......

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Funny thing is, you hardly EVER see them on the dealer floor, and it's not because they never recieve any shipments, it's because they sell out so fast, but the dealers don't wanna order more (for whatever reason).......

Exactly :)

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Only the Japanese dealers are like this. I just bought a new Husky smoker and they had multiple 2 strokes on the floor (125, 250 & 300). Same goes for KTM dealers around here.

It's just the big 4 that dont want to sell them.

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Only the Japanese dealers are like this. I just bought a new Husky smoker and they had multiple 2 strokes on the floor (125, 250 & 300). Same goes for KTM dealers around here.

It's just the big 4 that dont want to sell them.

They must be like the Ford Escort and/or Ford Focus then. These cars were produced solely to meet the fuel economy standards set in place by US EPA. Of course their trucks and SUVs lowered the average so they kept these around to raise it. Also, I heard it cost them more to produce (if you fully accounted for the wages/benefits/pension plan, etc. of the UAW labor) these vehicles than what they sold them for. It made no sense from a business sense but I would assume that there's little profit in the two stroke.

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I am not sure what to think anymore abotu dealers and the two strokes. I get into a lot of different shops as my service territory is about 700 miles from end to end. Plus one trip to California.

I have seen two YZ 250's on dealers floors since December. Both are still there. A 2007 and a 2008 model.

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I haven't seen any at my closest dealer in a couple of years.(mdk/ formerly folsom yamaha) The last 2t that I saw there was a new 2007 rm250. I guess 2 strokes aren't popular with the "puesdo" motocross racers. The type of people that wear large-framed white-colored sunglasses while driving brand-new trucks sitting on 24" rims.

No offense if I just described anyone here.

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They must be like the Ford Escort and/or Ford Focus then. These cars were produced solely to meet the fuel economy standards set in place by US EPA. Of course their trucks and SUVs lowered the average so they kept these around to raise it. Also, I heard it cost them more to produce (if you fully accounted for the wages/benefits/pension plan, etc. of the UAW labor) these vehicles than what they sold them for.

Funny how many people still think the American auto manufacturers are only American auto manufacturers.

Focus is built in Mexico. No union. The Focus is a model that has been available in Europe and BTW is extremely popular over there, it was designed for that market to compete with Peugot, Renault, and VW hatchbacks. The sedan version was a design abortion made for this market. The hatchback was brought over here from the European market to help Ford achieve the mileage requirements laid out by CAFE, but it was also brought over because Ford was the first American manufacturer to see the writing on the wall about gas prices back in 1998. The newest focus is different than the previous model, it is nothing more than a rebadged, resheeted mazda 3.

Off topic:

Oil has jumped 50% in the last few days to close over $50 today, say bye bye to $2.00 gas. I predict $5.00 a gallon by mid-late 2010. I have some credibility in these regards as I seem to be the only one who wasnt shocked about fuel prices last year, and was proactive enough to have predictively traded to a small SUV (vw tiguan), and a diesel car (vw jetta), before the crunch was on. Now my daily drivers are fuel efficient and I am laughing at the people who went out and bought brand new pickups and full size SUV's thinking that gas prices were down permanently. I have friends in the building trades who were dumb enough to buy new gas 3/4 trucks two years ago (against my warnings to downsize, or go to the Dodge/Mercedes sprinter diesel van), and when gas went up they were leaving the trucks parked at jobs and driving small cars back and forth to the sites.

It made no sense from a business sense but I would assume that there's little profit in the two stroke.

I on the other hand would assume that there is far more profit in the two stroke. 1.) They are simpler to build, with less exacting tolerances and fewer parts. 2.) Yamaha has not done any R&D on them for years, therefore the dies and castings are all paid for. Plus they still raise the price every year.

In fact, each and every 2 stroke they produce is almost pure profit at this point. As opposed to the 4 strokes which are being R&Ded every year, tooling is being changed before it is even paid for, etc.

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I was thinking the other day about how the 2 stroke has been getting some press and attention lately. There is a lot of talk about saving the 2 stroke. That made me think about what it would take to save it.

There is only 1 way to save the 2 stroke. You have to buy new ones. The factories will not produce what does not sell on the dealership floor.

Most guys on this forum already have an oil burner. We need to do what we can to convince our friends and riding buddies that are in the market for a bike to look at and consider a NEW 2 stroke.

Did my part last year, and will do it again in another year or so if they are still around.

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djmamayek - I agree. When I wrote my post it didn't seat well with me. Oh well, it got you to think and clarify/revise my thoughts. I had a Ford Escort 1999 model and it was Mazda parts everywhere. Our Mazda MPV (:banghead:) has a Ford Contour motor in it from the factory.:)

Betcha my super fast new KLR250 gets better mileage than all your vehicles combined. :banghead:

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Next bike is a 2010 YZ 2t. ALL the yamaha dealers have 2t's here in SouthAfrica , in fact there is almost more people riding 2t's at some of the tracks than 4t's. Dont mention enduro cause thats ruled by KTM 2t's and YZ250 conversions with the odd KDX 200.

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I have some credibility in these regards as I seem to be the only one who wasnt shocked about fuel prices last year, and was proactive enough to have predictively traded to a small SUV (vw tiguan), and a diesel car (vw jetta), before the crunch was on. Now my daily drivers are fuel efficient and I am laughing at the people who went out and bought brand new pickups and full size SUV's thinking that gas prices were down permanently.

I have 2 Volkswagen Jetta Diesels that get nearly 50mpg as daily drivers. That doesnt mean that I laugh at high fuel prices and I dont think anyone should. I also know how it feels to load up my 36ft trailer with bikes, buy race fuel, and haul it all down the road to races nearly every weekend and get mileage in the single digits at times. Last year during the summer it cost me over 5 dollars to go ten miles. Hell, it can get where it is cheaper to stay in a hotel than buy gas for the generator to run the A/C. :thumbsup:

But, back to the original topic. I hope there is interest in the two stroke and at the new bike level. That is the only thing that will save it. A good used bike market and a strong aftermarket will not do it alone. The Yamaha Banshee met that fate.

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djmamayek - I agree. When I wrote my post it didn't seat well with me. Oh well, it got you to think and clarify/revise my thoughts. I had a Ford Escort 1999 model and it was Mazda parts everywhere. Our Mazda MPV (:usa:) has a Ford Contour motor in it from the factory.:thumbsup:

Betcha my super fast new KLR250 gets better mileage than all your vehicles combined. :lol:

I would love to have a klr or something similar. An old two stroke would be nice as well.

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i just bought a used 2 smoker... so i am keeping the parts side of the business going LOL

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I was thinking the other day about how the 2 stroke has been getting some press and attention lately. There is a lot of talk about saving the 2 stroke. That made me think about what it would take to save it.

There is only 1 way to save the 2 stroke. You have to buy new ones. The factories will not produce what does not sell on the dealership floor.

Most guys on this forum already have an oil burner. We need to do what we can to convince our friends and riding buddies that are in the market for a bike to look at and consider a NEW 2 stroke.

You were really smart in school, weren't you? :thumbsup:

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Yes.....I loved school. So much so that I used to stay afterwards sometimes. Wait..........that was detention..

Sometimes the obvious is what needs to be pointed out. I bought my YZ250 used just because I wanted to try something different never knowing how much I would like a 2 stroke again. My son started racing 50's and we both mix oil and gas now.

Now I can't believe they are on the brink of extinction. (the lead law is threating to make 50's extinct too, but thats a whole other issue) I hoped the chance of the 250 class being a true 250 class at the Nationals would bring the other big 3 back in, but that got shot down.

I hope my next bike will be a new YZ250. The 2 stroke sales will never be what the 4 stroke sales are without new changes to the model. I know guys that buy new 450's each year just to have the new model and the new changes. I know I dumped my 426 when the new 450 came out. I then dumped my steel frame for the new aluminum one.

Most of the guys on ths forum are older it seems. Like me we you were around to see the four stroke come of age. I have let several young guys ride my smoker that have never even been on a 2 stroke big bike. They usually come back with a big grin. Hopefully more younger riders will give them a shot, and Yamaha will put some R&D into new models for the future.

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Woot! hijack!

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No hijack under rule 8, section 2, little c.

"No hijacking shall take place if a yz is clearly visible in the background" I think were ok.

I agree about the bikes having to roll off the dealers floor before we get a shot at anew one. In this regard, I suppose I am as guilty as anyone. I should have bought a new one. However, I am not going to spend the extra 3 grand needed to do so, or more, for somethign with a new seat cover and inverted strobe graphics. I think its up to Yamaha to give us a reason.

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Woot! hijack!

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That makes me want to get my 29 year-old xt250 out on the road again. I always thought it was pretty neat until one day some kid called it my "ghetto" bike!

However, I am not going to spend the extra 3 grand needed to do so, or more, for somethign with a new seat cover and inverted strobe graphics. I think its up to Yamaha to give us a reason.

Thats how I feel. I have an 05 that I could put some SSS forks on and wouldn't be that much different from a new one. We need some serious updates, not BNG. Anyway, I don't even like the stock graphics they have.

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