looking for some advice. I thought it may help others to share your ideas and methods / secret formula. I always have a problem after cleaning down the bike, I try not to jet wash the bike, people say that is bad, 1) Do you use dish washing liquid and a soft brush, how long does it take you and is there really any substitue for elbow grease ??? 2) How do you best clean the chain ???. Its always been a problem to me. I hate the black gunk that accumulates on the surface. Do you even need to clean the chain after a ride, or do you just put that fancy tacky chain lube stuff on a dirty chain. Some people after every ride pull the chain right off and soaking it in something over night, I really can't be bothered doing that, I've been tempted to jet wash it but I feel that to is a bad Idea..... Perhaps you should clean it with a blast of a solvent in a can like CRC 5.56. There must be some ingenious and simple way of cleaning these chains out there somewhere. would love to hear your ideas and methods.