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Idaho Screwed up when buying bike, anything we can do now?

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Ok, I know that we screwed up, but here is the short story. We decided to get family into dirtbikes this year. Found a great Honda XR70 on craigslist, needs one small part to run but the price is good (considering we were buying 4 bikes at once). Bike was owned by teenager & his mom. We have drove the truck out to get it, house was good hour out of town. Looked at the bike and its one missing part that it needed, said we would take it. Kid goes in house to get title from his mom while we load bike up, etc. They couldnt find title but said since we already had bike loaded up, etc that his mom would meet me at the DMV to get new title & transfer it the next morning. Ok its late and we trusted someone that we should not have trusted. :thumbsup:

We do have a bill of sale but no title, I have spent the last 2 weeks calling this mom every other day to get title. She answered first couple of times that she was working on getting info together to get it. Then she wouldnt answer the phone, so I left messages for her to return my call, now she has shut her answering machine off and wont answer mine or hubbys calls. I did have the vin run to make sure it wasnt stolen, but now I have a bike that can't be titled... anyone have any ideas if there is anything we can do?

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I'd be working with the DMV on this, I've never had or needed a title for an off-road bike. If it's not stolen I think there's a wait, then you can go apply for a new title in your name. Just like if you lose one for an other vechicle. As long as the people you bought it from don't contest it, should be pretty simple. You can always file a police report, but I'm not sure how much good that would do you. Might help if you even end up having to take them to court.

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You have the bill of sale...you should be able to file a lost title when going to register the bike.

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Do you "need" titles for off road bikes in Idaho? I know here in Oregon, they aren't required to be registered in anyway, unless it is street legal and going to be plated. A lot of states don't even give titles with off road bikes.

Like suggested before, I would take your bill of sale to the DMV and work on getting a new title.

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if all she ever had was an mso, and lost that, you are screwed! if it was titled at one time, not such a big deal.

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My friend went through almost the exact same thing here in Idaho. He had to have DMV open a file on it, pay a bond (I think it cost him $100) and they then issued him a title. The bond is in case it later comes up as stolen. It was a PITA for a few days and cost him an extra $100 but long story short is he got it titled.

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I wouldn't worry about having the title. Come to think of it....i've never had a title for a bike(excluding street legal). If it still concerns you though, just go to the dmv and apply for a lost title.

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it's a dirt bike why do you need a title? I know, you want to make sure it's legal. you have a bill of sale. I've bought 2 dirt bikes from friends that I'm pretty sure were not stolen bikes and resold them a few years later with just a bill of sale. so how do you buy a lawn mower in Idaho? do you need a tilte for that, you can drive it on the road but that does make it street legal!

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WARNING:

Mom and kid household may mean a divorce happened.

The Dad may be the legal owner and/or holder of the title.

This would not be the first time a kid's bike was sold this way.

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Gotta love all of the "experts" questioning why he even needs a title. Folks, just because your state doesn't require one doesn't mean that other states are the same.

Yes, in Idaho, you must title your bike.

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Gotta love all of the "experts" questioning why he even needs a title. Folks, just because your state doesn't require one doesn't mean that other states are the same.

Yes, in Idaho, you must title your bike.

What he said. I can't figure out why some states don't require a title myself.

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This validates what Brunsie posted earlier about the bond:

From the Idaho DMV website FAQ's:

What if I can’t meet the titling requirements for my situation?

Answer -... If the vehicle is less than 10 years old, you may be able to qualify for a bonded title which carries the brand “Bonded Title” with a three year expiration date, and requires that you post a surety bond worth one-and-a-half the appraised value of your vehicle. Contact any county assessor’s motor vehicle office to verify if either of these procedures is necessary and what may be required.

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Gotta love all of the "experts" questioning why he even needs a title. Folks, just because your state doesn't require one doesn't mean that other states are the same.

Yes, in Idaho, you must title your bike.

Actually in my state you are required to title and register everything you own. The point being...when was the last time you stopped a kid on a 70 and asked if they had a title??? As mentioned previously..If it is still a concern then apply for a lost title.:thumbsup:

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Actually in my state you are required to title and register everything you own. The point being...when was the last time you stopped a kid on a 70 and asked if they had a title??? As mentioned previously..If it is still a concern then apply for a lost title.:thumbsup:

I don't know about Idaho but in Washington, if you are going to ride on public land your bike must have an ORV sticker. To buy an ORV sticker you must have the title. In several of our riding areas there are rangers that will check the bikes in the staging area to see if they have ORV stickers...even a little 70cc bike.

In Washington you can apply for a 'title in doubt' that has a three-year wait before you are issued a real title...but in the meantime you can buy registration, i.e., ORV tabs, and even sell the bike. I am going through that right now with a three rail MC trailer that the previous owner (a WSP officer!) lost the title for and subsequently kept blowing me off when it came to applying for a lost title. Thanks Mr. Washington State Patrolman...you owe me a 'get out of jail free' card if you ever pull me over for speeding.

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I don't know about Idaho but in Washington, if you are going to ride on public land your bike must have an ORV sticker. To buy an ORV sticker you must have the title. In several of our riding areas there are rangers that will check the bikes in the staging area to see if they have ORV stickers...even a little 70cc bike.

In Washington you can apply for a 'title in doubt' that has a three-year wait before you are issued a real title...but in the meantime you can buy registration, i.e., ORV tabs, and even sell the bike. I am going through that right now with a three rail MC trailer that the previous owner (a WSP officer!) lost the title for and subsequently kept blowing me off when it came to applying for a lost title. Thanks Mr. Washington State Patrolman...you owe me a 'get out of jail free' card if you ever pull me over for speeding.

Things get funny when you go from state to state with stuff. I bought a sled trailer in WA that had a title, went to title/register in in ID and they said they don't issue titles for utility trailers so they gave me the WA title back. Buy a snowmobile in WA state you don't get a title. Ever. Double U Tee Eff I say. I would be so much easier just to have titles for everything IMO.

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Thanks Mr. Washington State Patrolman...you owe me a 'get out of jail free' card if you ever pull me over for speeding.

Thats hilarious...........makes you wonder how often the law only works one way?

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In Oregon, the DMV states that no title and registration are required because they don't register ATV's. But you can get a "Title Only" title, but still not required.

To get our OHV tags, all we need is to take our VIN to anyone that sells OHV tags and we are good to go.

The only real safety in having a title is if the unthinkable happens, and your bike is actually stolen. It is a lot easier to prove ownership if it is titled in your name.

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thanks for all the responses. In Idaho we have to have title to ride any of the ORV trials, etc. I went to the DMV and talked with them. The lady we bought it from did not title it in Idaho or in Washington (the state she now lives in). I went to the dealership where she told us she bought it new in 2004. Come to find she didn't title it anywhere, in fact the dealership had all her original paperwork because she never went to DMV ti take care of it and it got sent back to the dealership. Long story short, the lady at the dealership was super helpful and are trying to help me get it all worked out. The lady is in a bit of trouble for not paying the tax and licensing required when she bought it so hopefully it will all work out because it is the perfect bike for my son.

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i would say just show up at the person's house, the worst that happenes is that you get the cops called on you, but when they get there you explane that you have bought the bike, and that you need the title, the cops will be on your side. i had to do this with a car before, it was a huge pain, but i finaly found out where the guy lived and showed up at his house with 5 of my friends, and he called the cops, and the cops escorted us to the dmv to transfer the title.

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