So I must be missing something, or the industry is trying to mess with my head. I'm looking to get some knee protection, and really cover right down to where the boot starts, and hell the shin a bit more if it's possible. I bought some Fox knee and shin guards, and have some EVS ones I used for snowboard as well (rails to the knees = pain). Both go from my knee down past where the boot comes up... and when I try and jam them into the boot itself, i run into the obvious problem with trying to jam half of west africa into a boot. Then there's the whole "fitting that much into some pants" problem I run into... so now what I have to buy parachute pants? I'm doing something wrong here or missing something, or I don't know about some product that actually works. Some one set me straight so I can stop beating the shit out of my knees every time I take a digger.