companys and pride

Another company has just copied my max torque TB insert rec mx. Does anybody have any pride any more? Well, I can always state the fact that we were the first and all the Gieco Factory Connection bikes have our insert in them.

You dont have a patent on an innovative easy to copy product?

By the time the patent went thru, the bike would be out of date.

But in answer to the question....no. There is no pride anymore. Its exactly what I thought when I saw my tire machine in the RockyMountain catalog.

Its all $$$$, they can give a rats ass about pride... Just Sad!

Yes its on the vital mx sight also .pantents are just another way for pepole to make money for nothing you end up spennding a lot just for protection and it usually ends up in court costing you more before its done a freind of mine got a pantent on a snowmobile dolly several pepole have copyed it and tryed to market it .As far as im concerned the pepole that do this are theifs they would just as well find a wallet and take all the money out of it rather than return it to the owner .basicly thats what they have done to me .

In all reality this product isn't Patentable as there is Prior Art. They have been using something just like this in Sprint cars to restrict the horsepower of 410 to equalize the power with the 360ci Sprints to raise car counts.

The problem arises all of the time in the realm innovation when someone figures a new use for some and its not patentable. The only way around it is to hit the Market running with a head full of steam and corner the market by making it impossible for someone with higher overhead to undercut your prices.

There are some dubious ways with dealing with companies that do this to you but I will leave that up to you. The best thing you can do is make it impossible for them to make any money on them. If you have low overhead bury the price and just make $5 or $10 on each one. Im about to do that to one of the competitors with my products. I don't expect them to survive my next price cut!

Joe

By the way, I am not saying your product is a HP restrictor! It just is in the application I sighted.

Patents are a game. They are more often than not used as bargaining chips between companies. You can patent items that have prior art... You may have a new use for that old art that the patent office will grant you a patent on... And in this case there are very specific angles on that insert that could be used in the patent. But, defending a patent is a much different deal. If the company ripping you off is small it’s not too expensive to stop them (and they are in the us or europe - china - for get about it!). If the company using your idea is large it’s a whole different ball game.

Ron, I’d recommend that as you do come up with new stuff you look to patent these ideas that work out well. There are ways to get it done cheap… This way you can build up a series of patents that collectively over time will have value.

Oh – and ask Bob Fox who built Fox Racing Shox’s about patents… He didn’t have any for many, many years. It cost him dearly…. But in the end he did ok selling the company for ~ $80 million. )

You can always call me and bounce ideas off me ... You have my number and I'll help you out free of charge.

a patent doesn't keep prideless fool's from stealing the idea and making it a little different and then claiming their part is better .......... $ is the root of all evil

By the time the patent went thru, the bike would be out of date.

But in answer to the question....no. There is no pride anymore. Its exactly what I thought when I saw my tire machine in the RockyMountain catalog.

that suck's ........ and is the same thing I thought when every PWC high perf. manufacturer had their own version of my girdle cyl head about two months after I released the first ones ......... one guy even claimed it was his idea :thumbsup:

Man you guys are crackin' me up. You guys do realize that we live in a country with capitalism, right?

According to you guys, there should only be one exhaust company, only one suspension company, only one brand of toilet paper, ect. A throttle body insert isn't all that unique of an idea IMO. There are other after-market performance parts manufacturers, if you want to compete either your product or price must be better, you aren't just given a monopoly because you came out with it first.

they copied you ron.... take that as a compliment of your work and your ability.

it is always better to be a innovator, not the imitator!

The last company to copy this MX rec emailed me back and appologized for making them he said he new of them but thought that they were unobtainable so he decided to manufacture them not much i can do about it .One of my customers sent a head i ported to honda racing and they copyed it for there race bikes i had to acept that also .

I work for REC MX and I had the idea for the insert before I ever knew one existed, I thought it was an original idea. I did find out later that Ron made an insert for some race teams, but when we decided to make prototypes, I could not find Ron's insert available for sale, non of the people I worked with on this or any of my dealers had heard of the max torque insert either. So I did not think we would have any competition or would be taking sales away from anyone. We did our own development and testing and the inside venturi shape is our own design, we had never seen even a picture of Ron's insert when we did the design. Now that I know there is another US made insert available to the public we are halting production and marketing of this product to determine if there is room for another insert on the market and if ours is as good or better than the others out there. We are not about the money, but are about providing the best quality parts we can.

If you were in charge of product development for a company, and didn't look at what the competition is doing, you'd be a fool. If you didn't incorporate other people's better designs in your product in order to compete, you'd be an unemployed fool. Like others have said, the patent game is a bargaining tool.

The only exception is the domestic auto industry. All GM had to do in the 80's with the crappy Cavalier, or Ford with the Escort, was take apart a Honda Accord, copy every part, get the same switch feel, shifting, engine design, etc, and they'd rule the world. They just refused out of stubbornness.

Im over it doent matter to me any more .

Sorry for the problem Ron but your reputation for quality, performance and personal integrity will see you thru.

Man you guys are crackin' me up. You guys do realize that we live in a country with capitalism, right?

According to you guys, there should only be one exhaust company, only one suspension company, only one brand of toilet paper, ect. A throttle body insert isn't all that unique of an idea IMO. There are other after-market performance parts manufacturers, if you want to compete either your product or price must be better, you aren't just given a monopoly because you came out with it first.

wise word's from a 17 year old :thumbsup:but I wonder why they came up with the idea of a patent then ......... maybe some day you will have an idea for a product and it will be copied and maybe you will know what it feel's like then :thumbsup:

wise word's from a 17 year old :thumbsup:but I wonder why they came up with the idea of a patent then ......... maybe some day you will have an idea for a product and it will be copied and maybe you will know what it feel's like then :thumbsup:

Exactly.

Sheep rarely feel that sting though.

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