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.....i was excited the last time i was at Sawtooth, funds were being spent setting up RV type camping stalls with cement slabs and awnings. BLM were really making it family friendly which i like since we usually have kids with us when camping there....or so i thought.

Well today i am angry to say us riders got screwed out of a nice staging area. Upon arrival today, 6 months since my last visit to the area, I found green and red sticker bikes are not allowed there! Plated bikes only 5 mph speed limit, right in the middle of ohv land. I know there are plenty of other area's to camp but that was our spot. Rant over.

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Such bullshit.. We have been camping/riding there for 30+ years. other than a few rock climbers, offroaders are 95% of the people using that area. I never herd a thing about it being closed to green/red sticker vehicles. Did the blm just decide one day... Lets close this?

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Where is this? I really had some guy bend my ear on this recently. Slash X or JV area?
South of slash x, about 4 miles.

That's it, south of slash x. i get the different valleys mixed up. sorry for the confusion Wayne.

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Such bullshit.. We have been camping/riding there for 30+ years. other than a few rock climbers, offroaders are 95% of the people using that area. I never herd a thing about it being closed to green/red sticker vehicles. Did the blm just decide one day... Lets close this?

I agree Ron, in fact the only rock climbers i have seen there were part of my riding group climbing during down time between rides.

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It would be very interesting to see how they funded this project...

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/info/newsroom/2010/april/CDD1056_sawtooth_scoping.html

Typical government BS comment period. 1 month from release to final comment, and most likely burried where no one would practically see it to comment.

Isn't this area on the WEST side of the 247?

I thought this is open area of OHV. It shows it on maps as open anyway....

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Looking at BLM DAG map, looks like a few things going against us without even

looking it to it, Its outside of the Open Area of Stoddard, Its limited use and

its checkered with BLM, Private and state properties.

The only thing that would be worth checking into is if there is a WEMO route

into the area, and if so, it would most likely be a wide jeep trail, not much interest

for biking.

I wish I had better news, We are already seeing these measures taken as

agencies implement management plans, Not only here in CA but all over the US

As far as our green sticker funds used to construct this little bit of "Paradise"

Good question, maybe a call to Barstow office, ask for Larry Blaine or Mikey Quillman

Wayne

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Typical government BS comment period. 1 month from release to final comment, and most likely burried where no one would practically see it to comment.

Isn't this area on the WEST side of the 247?

I thought this is open area of OHV. It shows it on maps as open anyway....

yes it's right in the middle of open ohv area. Hodges and Oulet center staging area's being to the west / north west. Camp rock rd due east.

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yes it's right in the middle of open ohv area. Hodges and Oulet center staging area's being to the west / north west. Camp rock rd due east.
Looking at BLM DAG map, looks like a few things going against us without even

looking it to it, Its outside of the Open Area of Stoddard, Its limited use and

its checkered with BLM, Private and state properties.

OK. Whose map is the correct one. Seems the Stoddard "open" area is shrinking faster than a new pair of Levi's 501's.....

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My BLM DAG is dated 2008, It shows sawtooth out of open boundary

CTUC map 2005, this one does not show Sawtooth, But Open boundary the same as DAG

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Typical government BS comment period. 1 month from release to final comment, and most likely burried where no one would practically see it to comment.

Isn't this area on the WEST side of the 247?

I thought this is open area of OHV. It shows it on maps as open anyway....

It was a limited use section area.

Yes west of the 247.

I e-mailed John Kavanaugh (BLM contact for the project) and he replied "The funding came from a capitol improvement project" And ..." is closed to red and green sticker vehicles".

I don't know John or his motivation for that matter, but some of his quotes have been quite deceiving.

Apr 22

"Before we started planning the campground we went out a couple times and talked to the different user groups out there and get an idea of what their concerns and issues were," he said. "Currently it's already a camping area, we're just trying to improve the existing opportunities."

(source: http://www.desertdispatch.com/news/area-8337-sawtooth-campsites.html )

on May 3rd he is quoted:

"The BLM is not proposing any changes to the current situation regarding climbing, OHV use, shooting, hunting, and other uses of the area."

While BLM may have a point that this was never open use area, what makes this deceiving is the comment he made on Apr 22 in above quote... this has been used primarily by the OHV crowd forever... blind eye or not.

and..."The BLM doesn't know yet if these sites will be pay sites, but there are no proposals currently to restrict camping elsewhere in the area"

(source: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1160395/New-Jack-City-BLM-camping-improvements ) Read this knowing the above was may 3rd, on may 9th contractors were already lined up. Public comments close may 16th and the morning of May 17th project started and non-plated vehicles are no longer welcome, Bada Bing. Proof how fast you can loose your riding areas if you don't get involved... May 19th concrete being poured! http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/showthread.php/18224-New-Remote-Campsites

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Attached is WEMO map of the area.

It appears there are legal WEMO routes up to the entrance of that canyon,

Not having been there, Im not sure exactly were this campground was put

Appears there is a utility road that goes into the canyon that did not make it into WEMO

One would assume there is a gate there

The jeepers seem happy with the whole thing

Here is the WEMO map

Sawtooth.jpg

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It was a limited use section area.

Yes west of the 247.

I e-mailed John Kavanaugh (BLM contact for the project) and he replied "The funding came from a capitol improvement project" And ..." is closed to red and green sticker vehicles".

I don't know John or his motivation for that matter, but some of his quotes have been quite deceiving.

Apr 22

"Before we started planning the campground we went out a couple times and talked to the different user groups out there and get an idea of what their concerns and issues were," he said. "Currently it's already a camping area, we're just trying to improve the existing opportunities."

(source: http://www.desertdispatch.com/news/area-8337-sawtooth-campsites.html )

on May 3rd he is quoted:

"The BLM is not proposing any changes to the current situation regarding climbing, OHV use, shooting, hunting, and other uses of the area."

While BLM may have a point that this was never open use area, what makes this deceiving is the comment he made on Apr 22 in above quote... this has been used primarily by the OHV crowd forever... blind eye or not.

and..."The BLM doesn't know yet if these sites will be pay sites, but there are no proposals currently to restrict camping elsewhere in the area"

(source: http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1160395/New-Jack-City-BLM-camping-improvements ) Read this knowing the above was may 3rd, on may 9th contractors were already lined up. Public comments close may 16th and the morning of May 17th project started and non-plated vehicles are no longer welcome, Bada Bing. Proof how fast you can loose your riding areas if you don't get involved... May 19th concrete being poured! http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/showthread.php/18224-New-Remote-Campsites

Just show once again, that blm knew what they were going to do. And were going to do it, regardless of any public comments.

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Just show once again, that blm knew what they were going to do. And were going to do it, regardless of any public comments.

And this really is the crux of the issues between the public and the BLM.

Government out of control in "service" of the public. :thumbsup:

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Seems like it could be a nice place to go with my plated bike. Since the chance of any other users is slim to none there will not be anyone else around. Oh wait, I never camp in camp grounds. Darn...

Of course it will be used by OHV users. What were they thinking.

Guess it gives them a great ticket writing spot.

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Last week I was looking for info on local offroad issues and came upon the official green sticker site, telling all of what grants are requested and what's given. Within this site you'll find the application, public comments, division comments, final applications, everything from application for OUR offroad $$$ to who gets it & for what. You Will Not Be Pleased.

http://www.ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=25938

Offroad funds granted for places / staging areas with NO ohv legal trails leading to / from them, etc. etc.

I've been fuming pissed off (more than usual) ever since seeing this shat. I'd really express myself but don't want to upset the moderators.

Granted, I / we have known that the green sticker funds have been misused for decades, butt this is a gdmfbfing with c-slap finish. Enjoy perusing this gov. spending porn.

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Last week I was looking for info on local offroad issues and came upon the official green sticker site, telling all of what grants are requested and what's given. Within this site you'll find the application, public comments, division comments, final applications, everything from application for OUR offroad $$$ to who gets it & for what. You Will Not Be Pleased.

A large portion of the OHV fund comes from the fuel tax from recreational motorized use off-highway. That includes green stickered OHVs and street registered vehicles carrying campers, hunters, hikers, etc. When SB742 was passed a few years ago, Grant funding for motorized access to non motorized recreation was put into the regulations.

The OHV Grants program is a LOT better now than before the passage of SB742.

Ride on

Brewster

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Granted, yet we continue to get hosed.

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