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Nope just get the double bearing/sealed one

Makes alot less noise than the cheap stocker one.

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Nope just get the double bearing/sealed one

Makes alot less noise than the cheap stocker one.

It's not the bearing .. or lack of ... that makes the stock roller noisy, it's the hard plastic wheel.

And guess what? The after market one is hard plastic too ... and just as noisy to my ear. What it needs is Rubber ... sure it would wear but it would be quiet - er.

Look down there when riding (if you're clever) and watch what's happening. The chain, at certain speeds, is whapping up and down on the rollers.

I took both upper and lower rollers off. Perhaps ... if you're jumping the DR hard or doing serious whoops at speed ... just maybe you could benefit from the rollers. My DR has 40,000 miles on it and has seen quite a bit off road including 3 Baja rides. Never a chain problem on my bike. YMMV.

(do fill the hole to prevent ingress of water)

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Look what that lower stock cheap plastic wheel rides/gluides on.If the upper roller was it the right place it might do some good other than being ripped out of the frame.

" Polyurethane chain rollers have a 98A Durometer hardness "

What ever this stuff is,has to way better than the cheapo,beepo stock crap plastic that rides on a sleeve.

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I'm thinking your one of these guys who mistakenly thinks everything "stock" is cheapo crap. :smirk: You've probably been reading Dirt Bike and Dirt Rider ... as this is their Mantra: Trash all the stock stuff! :lol: You've been sucker'd. :lol::prof: Why do you think they do that? Check their advertisers. :lol:

I've been around a while and have seen what the magazine guys are up to. Sure, some stock items can be improved upon ... but let me tell you about some of the aftermarket crap out there. Most is low spec shit from China.

The DR650 is made in Japan. QUALITY. Things like "All Balls" bearings ?absolute crapola ... yet that's what Moose and many other aftermarket guys sell. Why? P R O F I T. How about some "miracle" chain and sprockets?

No such thing.

Pro Cycle sells some items that replace a stock Suzuki OEM item. 90% of the time the replacement is a piece of garbage. Lip stick on a Pig.

If you think you can design a better location for the roller ... go ahead on. Since I'm not new to off road bikes I recognized immediately the rollers were not needed ... and took them off. I'm not riding Enduros on my DR650. I like a quiet ride without a lot of driveline noise. The rollers are superfluous.

I see guys buying all this crap to replace socalled "Cheap STock" this and "Crap STock that. For the most part it's BS. Don't believe the hype.

Take aftermarket pipes as an example. FMF used to make good pipes. I ran them on my race bike for 8 years doing AMA Enduros. Now? FMF are JUNK.

The flying machine products fall apart and cost more than ever. Rivets come out, finish tarnished ... and constant repacking is required. WhY? PROFIT and in their case, pure GREED ... as the owner is a multi millionaire already.

The stock Boat anchor muffler may be heavy ... but it will never, ever wear out, need to be repacked or RUST or BREAK. JAPANESE QUALITY 3 Chamber exhaust. You get it? :smirk: QUALITY and INTEGRITY ... they go together.

If everything stock on the bike is "Cheap Crap" then why not replace motor parts? Maybe put in a nice Chinese Piston and rings? Maybe some "quality" "All Balls" bearings ... hey, they cost half of what the Suzuki stock "crap" does. How about that, Einstein?

Never mix up quality with Bling or usefulness with necessity ... and please try to see past the bullshit being pedaled in the mags and online. :lol:

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I agree that these rollers are cheap hard plastic. I threw away the top one, but also thinking of doing the same with the bottom.

Hessler RT, a German DR specialist has a plastic slider, like the KTM's use, while a freind of mine has used rollers from Yamaha YZ which are softer.....really quiet.

Just to share my thoughts.....

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It's not the bearing .. or lack of ... that makes the stock roller noisy, it's the hard plastic wheel.

And guess what? The after market one is hard plastic too ... and just as noisy to my ear. What it needs is Rubber ... sure it would wear but it would be quiet - er.

Look down there when riding (if you're clever) and watch what's happening. The chain, at certain speeds, is whapping up and down on the rollers.

I took both upper and lower rollers off. Perhaps ... if you're jumping the DR hard or doing serious whoops at speed ... just maybe you could benefit from the rollers. My DR has 40,000 miles on it and has seen quite a bit off road including 3 Baja rides. Never a chain problem on my bike. YMMV.

(do fill the hole to prevent ingress of water)

i'm after a quiet-as-possible and smoothest ride too.

thanks.

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As i ride only on the street (set up as a sumo now) i'm thinking of dumping my lower roller as well. I did replace the rear plastic slider block in the rear chain guide with a roller quite some time ago, but haven't yet worked up the courage to completely dump the rear chain guide.

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I agree that these rollers are cheap hard plastic. I threw away the top one, but also thinking of doing the same with the bottom.

Hessler RT, a German DR specialist has a plastic slider, like the KTM's use, while a freind of mine has used rollers from Yamaha YZ which are softer.....really quiet.

Just to share my thoughts.....

Hessler is an excellent company. :smirk: I only wish we had such a good aftermarket specialist in the US.

We can order parts from Germany but it costs quite a bit more for shipping. Hessler really know DR's and go back to the DR Big 800's of many years ago.

Cheers!:smirk:

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I'm thinking your one of these guys who mistakenly thinks everything "stock" is cheapo crap. :smirk: You've probably been reading Dirt Bike and Dirt Rider ... as this is their Mantra: Trash all the stock stuff! :lol: You've been sucker'd. :lol::prof: Why do you think they do that? Check their advertisers. :lol:

I've been around a while and have seen what the magazine guys are up to. Sure, some stock items can be improved upon ... but let me tell you about some of the aftermarket crap out there. Most is low spec shit from China.

The DR650 is made in Japan. QUALITY. Things like "All Balls" bearings ?absolute crapola ... yet that's what Moose and many other aftermarket guys sell. Why? P R O F I T. How about some "miracle" chain and sprockets?

No such thing.

Pro Cycle sells some items that replace a stock Suzuki OEM item. 90% of the time the replacement is a piece of garbage. Lip stick on a Pig.

If you think you can design a better location for the roller ... go ahead on. Since I'm not new to off road bikes I recognized immediately the rollers were not needed ... and took them off. I'm not riding Enduros on my DR650. I like a quiet ride without a lot of driveline noise. The rollers are superfluous.

I see guys buying all this crap to replace socalled "Cheap STock" this and "Crap STock that. For the most part it's BS. Don't believe the hype.

Take aftermarket pipes as an example. FMF used to make good pipes. I ran them on my race bike for 8 years doing AMA Enduros. Now? FMF are JUNK.

The flying machine products fall apart and cost more than ever. Rivets come out, finish tarnished ... and constant repacking is required. WhY? PROFIT and in their case, pure GREED ... as the owner is a multi millionaire already.

The stock Boat anchor muffler may be heavy ... but it will never, ever wear out, need to be repacked or RUST or BREAK. JAPANESE QUALITY 3 Chamber exhaust. You get it? :smirk: QUALITY and INTEGRITY ... they go together.

If everything stock on the bike is "Cheap Crap" then why not replace motor parts? Maybe put in a nice Chinese Piston and rings? Maybe some "quality" "All Balls" bearings ... hey, they cost half of what the Suzuki stock "crap" does. How about that, Einstein?

Never mix up quality with Bling or usefulness with necessity ... and please try to see past the bullshit being pedaled in the mags and online. :lol:

Somebody must of woke uo with a hard on

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I'm thinking your one of these guys who mistakenly thinks everything "stock" is cheapo crap. :smirk: You've probably been reading Dirt Bike and Dirt Rider ... as this is their Mantra: Trash all the stock stuff! :lol: You've been sucker'd. :lol::prof: Why do you think they do that? Check their advertisers. :lol:

I've been around a while and have seen what the magazine guys are up to. Sure, some stock items can be improved upon ... but let me tell you about some of the aftermarket crap out there. Most is low spec shit from China.

The DR650 is made in Japan. QUALITY. Things like "All Balls" bearings ?absolute crapola ... yet that's what Moose and many other aftermarket guys sell. Why? P R O F I T. How about some "miracle" chain and sprockets?

No such thing.

Pro Cycle sells some items that replace a stock Suzuki OEM item. 90% of the time the replacement is a piece of garbage. Lip stick on a Pig.

If you think you can design a better location for the roller ... go ahead on. Since I'm not new to off road bikes I recognized immediately the rollers were not needed ... and took them off. I'm not riding Enduros on my DR650. I like a quiet ride without a lot of driveline noise. The rollers are superfluous.

I see guys buying all this crap to replace socalled "Cheap STock" this and "Crap STock that. For the most part it's BS. Don't believe the hype.

Take aftermarket pipes as an example. FMF used to make good pipes. I ran them on my race bike for 8 years doing AMA Enduros. Now? FMF are JUNK.

The flying machine products fall apart and cost more than ever. Rivets come out, finish tarnished ... and constant repacking is required. WhY? PROFIT and in their case, pure GREED ... as the owner is a multi millionaire already.

The stock Boat anchor muffler may be heavy ... but it will never, ever wear out, need to be repacked or RUST or BREAK. JAPANESE QUALITY 3 Chamber exhaust. You get it? :smirk: QUALITY and INTEGRITY ... they go together.

If everything stock on the bike is "Cheap Crap" then why not replace motor parts? Maybe put in a nice Chinese Piston and rings? Maybe some "quality" "All Balls" bearings ... hey, they cost half of what the Suzuki stock "crap" does. How about that, Einstein?

Never mix up quality with Bling or usefulness with necessity ... and please try to see past the bullshit being pedaled in the mags and online. :lol:

You didn't wake up with a hard on,did you?:lol:

I guess people who did the fcr and gsxr mod,header grind,air box and anything else to mod their bike must of read all those mags you talk about.

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I have quite a bit of stuff on my bike from Pro-cycle and have to state that it is very good quality stuff and the workmanship on the wheels that he/they made for me is

excellent.

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His crap says he's 52 and he post shit like that.He don't know nothing about me and flames over the net>THAT SHIT BELONGS IN JO MAMA AT AVD.

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I have quite a bit of stuff on my bike from Pro-cycle and have to state that it is very good quality stuff and the workmanship on the wheels that he/they made for me is

excellent.

List out what you've got from Pro Cycle.

Now ... tell me what items they make there in house.

Do they make the rims? Hubs? Spokes? Anything? At most, they've built a wheel out of parts. And where are the parts from?

I didn't know they built wheels ... if they do, then my hats off ... as that's a exacting trade requiring skill and patience. On the other hand .... they could be sending the work out ... and making a few bucks in the bargain.

(does the word MIDDLEMAN mean anything? :smirk: )

And there is where I sort of have a problem. The service at Pro Cycle is very good, fast shipping and all. But some of the stuff they sell is actually MORE than better quality Suzuki OEM item. And generally the prices are quite high for everything in the catalog. Take Motion Pro for example. I much prefer Suzuki cables and levers to MP.

I'm not in competition with Pro Cycle or in business but I do shop around for some things. I rarely end up buying from Pro Cycle because I generally (not always) find it cheaper some place else ... or find OEM Suzuki parts for equal or less money.

For the items you've bought from Pro Cycle, ask them where those items are made. They'll tell you they don't know. That's what MOOSE told me when I ask about the failed "All Balls" bearings I bought 4 years ago. Don't know? :smirk: yea, right. Trust me, they know ... but would rather not say.

Pro Cycle have hooked into the big DR650 thread (7 million views) and are the darlings of vendors there. They've done a good job putting together a One Stop Shop for DR650 owners, and we all appreciate that. All I am suggesting is shop around a bit ... and know that not everything they sell is the best quality item available ... but the prices don't reflect that.

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Thanks for the heads up on the bearing type chain roller 97dr650. I'll give that a try before chucking the whole thing.

Something my father told me many many years ago ... "Never argue with a moron/idiot, they'll just wear you down to their level and then beat you with experience." He was a pretty intelligent man.

Thanks again for the advice.

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After checking the chain slider on my KTM EXC300, I ordered one to give it a try on my DR. I think it will solve all the noise from the chain slap.

Part number is 77303053000 @ only 6.5 $

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