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Took the back road to Crown King (road is a bit kind for many stretches of it) and I was way in over my head with such a big bike.

So I'm thinking for the more technical rocky stuff a smaller bike would be a better idea (not filling up a 6gallon after market gas tank when you don't need it would not be a bad idea either). Easier to handle and easier to pick up when it falls down.

Again and again. :smirk:

I won't fit a Honda 70, even though I should consider it, so I'm looking for some idea's here. I see some guys go to the WR250 but I need options. Something with low speed crawling ability and low end torque and a lot lighter than the Beast.

So far I plan on keeping the L, just stay away from the more technical stuff (skill set may improve, but my back won't - it needs a break).

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Loved my 250R....great torque it's light and cheap to run / maintain.

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Friends 250 parked in the mud lol.

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i hate mud.................

I hate riding it in a lot.

I hate cleaning it up after even more.

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i hate mud.................

I hate riding it in a lot.

I hate cleaning it up after even more.

2 words "pressure washer" they are your friends when you ride the mud

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i hate mud.................

I hate riding it in a lot.

I hate cleaning it up after even more.

I like carving the canyons and high speed dirt trackin down gravel roads..

I'm not much into sand/rocks and mud anymore.

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I must say, dirt roads are much more attractive to me but "trail" riding is attractive too. On the 650L trail riding is going to be tough for me. Mud would be easier but I hate the stuff. Luckily mud is in very short supply until the monsoon season.

That poor 250 looks like it growing roots! Good low end torque?

On the way back I bailed off the dirt at the Bubble Bee exit. Last two miles to the freeway was a very curvy paved section with lots of ups and downs too and I really enjoyed that part. It's a lot of fun just dialing in the throttle mid turn, bike pushed over, and feel the torque pull you out of the turn and slapping it down into the next corner.

I have no flat track skills at all so I feel like I'm walking the bike around corners in the gravel (after falling over like on ice in gravel/sand corners I'm a tad gun shy now) which is simply very unmotorcycle like. Bugger!

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Have done this trail on my YZ250 2 stroke without much trouble. With minor set up a small 2 stroke can be a really good choice for the technical stuff. I imagine a WR250 would make this much easier as well.

KTM probably has the answer if you have to have a 4 stroke.

Havent seen many videos of a 4 stroke doing 5 miles of hell, though.

I think this is the ktm 300xcw

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Am 70 & have XR650L & WR250R. Back road to Crown King one of my favorite's. Easier on the Yamaha, more comfortable on the Honda. Don't give up on your Honda. Not sure how yours is set up but tires & a few tweaks can make a huge difference in this bike.

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Pirelli scorpions on the front, D606 on the rear. Otherwise fairly stock with no suspension upgrades. I weigh 165, bike seems pretty good. It just needs a better pilot. Gym would help in the upper body but with blown discs in the lower back whenever I do heavy lifting(e.g. fallen bikes and pretty much beyond four pickups) it seems to set me back for a few weeks. Something I just have to live with as an unwelcome limitation and a price for living through my 20's. :smirk:

I'm thinking the smaller bike will help me develop the skill sets and strengths that I can apply to the L, although as I get older it prove to be wise to spend less time on big bikes.

@WR Tom, when you get old (80ish), let me know if you still prefer the L due to the comfort or if easier has become the new comfort. :smirk:

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Keep the L and trick that puppy out like Wattner did over at ADVrider, usd ohlins forks, big hi comp stroker motor, bigger tank, big pipes, cam,ti springs and retainers big finned CNC ported head, XR400 oil cooler, HDBikes clamps bars and switch gear, 106mm slug with balanced stroker crank, black powder coated frame with wrinkle swingarm and cases,HSR42 mikuni pumper,LED lighting,Big baja cyclops headlight,you name it..it has it....you won't ever want to sell her.

I'm gonna be 76 shortly and I love the big motored air heads...I'm trying to get Wattner to sell her to me if I can talk him out of it, that's one bad boy CW742L..

I've been laying awake at night dreaming of it. If he won't let go of it I'm building one just like it.

That will be my last bike at my age...you know anyone can walk into a store and walk out with a bike like everyone else has, but me I'd rather have a say in the build process.

I hope CW feels up to building me one more bike.

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I've added higher handle bars, larger tank (I think that was a good part of the problem, all that extra gas and I had to lift it) as well as bark busters, rack, tank bag(it was in the way on this trip) and I have the parts for Dave's mods, just have not installed them yet.

I'm only 57 so I have plenty of time to trick her out and learn how to ride her - if I don't kill myself trying.

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go to the gym, don't ever the the pig get the better of you.

True dat. Unless your job keeps you strong, you need to be weight training to not get beat to heck by a pig offroad.

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go to the gym, don't ever the the pig get the better of you.

If you're in good shape, you can whoop people ass on these big pigs who are riding motocross bikes like crf250s or even little crf150s on small tight trails. Just muscle that old girl around and use the torque to get you around and it'll do great! Make sure your bars are low and back enough so you can get leverage and push the bike around instead of things going the other way around!

Also, I think a CRF150 is a great small bike. It can get up to 50 or so and is a great Little trail bike. Nothing like embarrassing guys on fancy fast dirt bikes with this little cheap air cooled honey. They're s light and small that its like cheating!

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True dat. Unless your job keeps you strong, you need to be weight training to not get beat to heck by a pig offroad.

Ha! I'm in IT, lifting heavy UPS's is about as big a work out as I get at work and that is not that often.:smirk:

Gym time does not sound like much fun, maybe I"ll just have to ride more (crash less).

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Being an owner of a XR650L, I can say that, yes as we know, BIG RED is more than a handful offroad. It can be trailed but best with 14 /48 gearing. However weight is weight. Open easy loam trails (the kind we all imagine being in heaven) is where Big Red is at home. Or on logging roads (easy ones). It is a giant playbike made for very easy to lightly moderate off road riding.

Don't feel bad being whopped by it. Unless your Ivan Tedesco It is just too much for serious off roading.

A plethora of bikes exist for you to choose from. Easiest and most economical not to mention tough as nails, the XR250R - XR400R. Check them all out though to find your perfect ride. It's information overload nowdays, so many good bikes, so many features. Take your time, read some articles and do your research.

Good luck and have fun! shopping for that next one is always a thrill!

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If you're in good shape, you can whoop people ass on these big pigs who are riding motocross bikes like crf250s or even little crf150s on small tight trails. Just muscle that old girl around and use the torque to get you around and it'll do great! Make sure your bars are low and back enough so you can get leverage and push the bike around instead of things going the other way around!

Also, I think a CRF150 is a great small bike. It can get up to 50 or so and is a great Little trail bike. Nothing like embarrassing guys on fancy fast dirt bikes with this little cheap air cooled honey. They're s light and small that its like cheating!

You sir, are one fast rider! if your getting away from CRF250R's on a BRP. I ride a CRF450X (in addition to my BRP) and there is no way in hell I could ever ride the BRP as fast and smoothly as I can on Crazy Fast (CRF450X) Frame rigidity, suspension and power are way better on the CRF's. I have made some bad mistakes on my CRF that would ordinarily spit me off of my XR250R and most certainly the BRP, and while I clean that section of trail - I praise God and my bike for making it through, these new bikes change the old idealism of it's all about the rider and not the bike. The bikes are so good now they can and do save your ass. In the hands of a good rider they are amazing to watch. That being said - I venture to say the rider you were against on the CRF250R was just slow. Because a CRF250R can and will again and again and again, whoop a BRP in any endeavor. A CRF450 would make it even more embarrassing.

The BRP is dated and cannot be compared to a CRF in any way shape or form. Don't get me wrong ! I love the BRP! it is just a different bike with a different purpose.

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