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Hey guys, I'm in desperate need of an upgrade to my suspension.

Bike is a 2000 yz250, with KYB 46mm open baths.

I've had the forks and shock revalved earlier this summer. I'm about 170lbs in gear, so I'm using stock springs.

I ride nothing but Mx and Sx.

So what are your suggestions I do next? I'm leaning towards the Race Tech gold valves, mainly because they provide a custom valving setup with charts to tune your own valving.

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I seriously believe DaveJ at Smart Performance is the way to go. He has some really cool pieces for the older forks and his prices are much better than anyone else.

Most impressive part is Dave will set you up with a DIY kit that is amazing if you are ok working on your own stuff.

http://www.smartperformanceinc.com/CONTACT.html

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Hmm why are you unhappy? Or what do you expect them to do? Are those springs the same age as the bike?

Suspension bucks and kicks me around on the whoops. When the track is freshly prepped, I can blaze through them in 4th. After they get beat up and nasty, anything over second gear is very scary.

Everywhere else the suspension is awesome, but I race, and need to go through the whoops.

Yes, sadly the springs are probably as old as the bike. I never thought about that! They might be sacked out..

I seriously believe DaveJ at Smart Performance is the way to go. He has some really cool pieces for the older forks and his prices are much better than anyone else.

Most impressive part is Dave will set you up with a DIY kit that is amazing if you are ok working on your own stuff.

http://www.smartperformanceinc.com/CONTACT.html

I've always heard great things about what he can do to these old open bath forks. Before I had mine setup with a local tuner, I talked to Dave. I pretty much told him I wanted a front and rear DIY setup, but I wasn't really sure what I was having problems with, and he never quoted me, so I gave up.

Now I'm a little more aware of what I want from my suspension, so I may give him another try.

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I think almost 12 year old springs could be or are your problem. But I'm no suspension specialist, hey I don't even race. If time is not an issue get newer springs of ebay and try it out. If time is an issue the recommended company might be the way out of your issue.

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I think these guys are really up against it. Doing the word as well as marketing by themselves. Plus, if they hire someone to answer phones, it does not help as no one wants to talk to the helper.

I remember when these forks were current, and Dave had a set-up for them like no other. Hes worth waiting for on these.

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I think almost 12 year old springs could be or are your problem. But I'm no suspension specialist, hey I don't even race. If time is not an issue get newer springs of ebay and try it out. If time is an issue the recommended company might be the way out of your issue.

Time's not much of an issue right now. Sx and Mx season are over for the year, so any riding I get in is just for fun.

I think you may be right on the old springs. I would love to slap a set of new springs on front and rear before I do anything else and see if there's any difference.

I think these guys are really up against it. Doing the word as well as marketing by themselves. Plus, if they hire someone to answer phones, it does not help as no one wants to talk to the helper.

I remember when these forks were current, and Dave had a set-up for them like no other. Hes worth waiting for on these.

Yeah no joke, last thing I want to do is call a shop and talk to the receptionist about specifics with what I want done on my hard earned dollar.

I'll give Dave a call and see what he has to say.

Any idea on the price range for front and rear?

I've already dumped 300 into the revalve, plus another 200 for springs, then another ??? from Dave. After all this work, I might be wishing I just made the jump to the SSS stuff and had them worked.

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I cannot price Daves stuff, but when I went through him, I called. I never gave a name, address, or mentioned TT. Its not as if I got a "bro-deal". He gave the price, including oils, and I replied..."No, I wanted to do the front and back as well." I thought he quoted the shock only price.

I did my work myself, but I also saw a build sheet and labor charge he did for a friend on an 06 yz. At that point I evaluated what my own labor was worth as it was very reasonable. I know he does more work on the older forks, so it might be more, but you'll pay once with him.

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I agree with RC on this. With the older stuff, the SPI is hard to beat.

The prices are great as well. :thumbsup:

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I cannot price Daves stuff, but when I went through him, I called. I never gave a name, address, or mentioned TT. Its not as if I got a "bro-deal". He gave the price, including oils, and I replied..."No, I wanted to do the front and back as well." I thought he quoted the shock only price.

I did my work myself, but I also saw a build sheet and labor charge he did for a friend on an 06 yz. At that point I evaluated what my own labor was worth as it was very reasonable. I know he does more work on the older forks, so it might be more, but you'll pay once with him.

Wow, now I'm anxious to hear a price. I sent him an email tonight, when he replies, I'll get him on the phone.

What was the turn around time for your kit?

Also did he provide everything you needed (minus tools) to do the kit plus all the shims, etc. you need for the revalve?

Main thing I'm wanting with this is expert advice down the road. I don't want to do all the work, setup it up to his specifications, not be happy with the results and not be able to get any help from him. I've heard he's great, so I may be wrong on this.

I agree with RC on this. With the older stuff, the SPI is hard to beat.

The prices are great as well. :thumbsup:

Biased opinion eh?:ride:

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I cannot price Daves stuff, but when I went through him, I called. I never gave a name, address, or mentioned TT. Its not as if I got a "bro-deal". He gave the price, including oils, and I replied..."No, I wanted to do the front and back as well." I thought he quoted the shock only price.

I did my work myself, but I also saw a build sheet and labor charge he did for a friend on an 06 yz. At that point I evaluated what my own labor was worth as it was very reasonable. I know he does more work on the older forks, so it might be more, but you'll pay once with him.

I did pretty much the same thing, both my Dad's '03 YZ250 and my '03 YZ125 needed rebuilt suspension, and while I was in there I figured I would revalve to sort of get a base understanding of the suspension since I hadn't had the chance before any of this.

Either way, the price for the entire kit for front and rear on both bikes was less than I could get just 1 fork done at a local tuner. Got more expensive since I wanted new seals and bushings on everything, but that was my choice. But everything was more or less clear and he helped me with a few questions a complete newbie (me) had. All questions were answered fast, and although he is a busy guy, he tries his best to get back to any questions in a reasonable time frame.

For the price he is offering everything at, you really can't go wrong to upgrade your suspension. It is that well priced as long as you are comfortable doing all of the work on the suspension yourself. I mean, people spend more on their two stroke exhaust upgrades than I did to re-valve front and rear on two bikes.

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