Man oh man, you guys are killin' me!!! First off on this so-called "holeshot" issue, Has anyone actually watched ANY of those races that Dowdie holeshotted???? After the first lap he was old news! Has anyone seen Ferry blow by Dowd AND Hughes in the same lap?? Remember one verrry important thing...it's where you finish..NOT where you start. Second, IMO KTM builds works of art as far as materials, craftsmanship, etc. etc. but what happens to that work of art in a few months of riding? It looks just like all the rest! There is no reliability difference between the two but the problem arises when you replace big ticket items. It's no joke KTM is outta control with their prices and that's one of the places Yamaha kicks their butts! My obsevation?? If you wanna look fast Buy the KTM. If you wanna WIN buy the Yamaha! By the way....Shane who?? He's too busy lately making excuses to race! OK that's enough of my 2 cents. Fight nice girls!