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How many guys out there ride there L around looking for some trails or dirt to rip up even though it is trespassing? If I only rode on my land or places designated for riding I would only ride about twice a yr. I get in ride in stealth mode then get out before anyone notices. Mostly out in the country and gravel pits on weekends...

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Not so much.

Crap like that is what gives us all a scofflaw reputation and convinces the landowner who might keep his land open to go ahead and lock it up. I have watched the pi$$ poor behavior of dirtbikers get parcel after parcel of good riding land locked up over the years. Now you have to ride a horse or mountain bike to access some of the best trails that I used to enjoy 30 years ago.

Sorry for the rant, but I simply have no tolerance for what you are suggesting... you asked.

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I live in a small town and ride my 3 year old with me. I do not ride on marked property. Fenced chained or posted. However... there is plenty of land that is for sale and county owned (not posted) that i ride. I am not not gonna get shot at with my 3 year old on board. (not that i enjoy it otherwise). When they make roads or clear drainage lines there is a place to ride. I just look when i am out and about. Keep on the look out. There are loads of places when you really look.

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I have stopped and asked farmers if i could ride around their crops. Some said no but some said yes. Worth a try.

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like ThumpNRed said. you need a horse to ride the best trails, that we use to ride dirtbikes on! we have thousands of miles of trails, but can no longer ride off road vehicles.

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unfortunately there are no places to ride close to me. So I have ride on land that is not mine. 30 years ago I could ride in plenty of places. Those days are gone! I'm not out tearing up land nor have a stupid loud muffler. All the places I used to ride were closed from vandalism or dumb asses dumping there trash. If I see a sign No trespassing I stay out. Most of the time there no houses for miles.

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If there is a sign, I respect that, no sign, or gate open, I go for it on State game lands. Here in Pa, one of the best places to ride are State game lands, which a lot are gated closed, 90% of the year, I see closed gates all over the place on SGL's, why we pay taxes, and I'll bet there is a lot more of us than hikers. Obama, like him or not, tried opening these up for family recreation and (ORV's) and the environmentalists fought him the whole way. Although, I have seen a few fire rds opened up to atv's. Funny story, I signed a petition to stop wolf hunting from aircraft, somewhere. Then the Sierra club started sending me emails. One email they sent me was to stop the opening up of these lands for ORV's, of course i voted to open them up. Heres the link I found.

http://americasgreatoutdoors.gov/vision/connecting/

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Horse people have more money than we do. Money isn't everything; but it is in first place.

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Riding in my youth was a "wholesome family activity" now we are seen as "earth destroying thrill junkies". Many of our ranks have earned us that sad distinction. Poaching someone else's land could then, and now get you shot. Stop, shut off your bike, take off your helmet and talk to farmers, ranchers, rangers, equestrians, hikers, mtn. bikers and locals at every opportunity. It has always given me great results and plenty of places to ride. I've met land owners who have given permission and a few have said no. All have thanked me for asking. Many have given great information about places that are ridable by permission or long standing custom. Just taking a few minutes to chat has always made the difference.

Like it or not YOU are an ambassador for our tribe. If you act like a diiick, that hiker you just roosted will tell 100 people. If you are cool s/he may just tell 10 people. Riding the backcountry is the most fun thing I know, and is worth keeping open for those who ride after us.

Thanks for reading and please always leave a gate as you found it and ALWAYS shut off your bike for horses. Not doing so could get someone, maybe you, killed.

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When I was a youngin I rode through a farmers corn field once (I know dumb but I was young) on the way back out there he was the farmer coming at me on his tractor with a shotgun in his hand Oh shit I was in fear of my life, when I got close to him I noticed that he only had one leg and a peg leg.:busted:

So I gassed it to get by him because I figured screw you ya old peg legged farmer you can't catch me:p, then the crazy old bearded peg legged farmer lit off a few rounds of saltrock in backside, I have never treaspassed since that day again.:bonk:

Something to remember is 1960 100cc trail bike will not out run farmers with shotguns and saltrock...:busted:

Edited by pwrpapa

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Now that deer season is here I'll have to limit my riding to county gravel pits or old RR lanes. I generally carry when riding in unknown woods just incase I ride up on something illegal (yes I have a permit). You never know what you'll find with this economy!

Another thing that chaps me is how acceptable it is for snowmobiles to ride trails and not a atv or bikes! You can't tell me a new 150 hp spiked sled is going to do less damage to the trail as my soft tire atv?

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Now that deer season is here I'll have to limit my riding to county gravel pits or old RR lanes. I generally carry when riding in unknown woods just incase I ride up on something illegal (yes I have a permit). You never know what you'll find with this economy!

Another thing that chaps me is how acceptable it is for snowmobiles to ride trails and not a atv or bikes! You can't tell me a new 150 hp spiked sled is going to do less damage to the trail as my soft tire atv?

The main place I ride my cr500, there is deer hunting. I've stopped and asked many of the deer hunters, if I'm bothering them, they always say, no your getting the deer to move, and helping. I will add that the deer there are so used to riders that they don't run till your 10 feet away from them, even though they can hear us coming from a mile away.

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Now that deer season is here I'll have to limit my riding to county gravel pits or old RR lanes. I generally carry when riding in unknown woods just incase I ride up on something illegal (yes I have a permit). You never know what you'll find with this economy!

Another thing that chaps me is how acceptable it is for snowmobiles to ride trails and not a atv or bikes! You can't tell me a new 150 hp spiked sled is going to do less damage to the trail as my soft tire atv?

Im sure you carry a pistol like I do. I also ride with an M4 in 6.8 spc with a 25rd mag. Like you said you never know what you might run into, especially here in Oregon.

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Funny this post went this way. When I was 15 I had an XL100 and rode one particular patch of woods basically a hundred yards or so parallel to a dirt road - about a mile long road, no houses at all. Finally rode up on a "pharmacutical garden" one day and scared the crap out of me. I would ride about anywhere 25 years ago but now there are just too many people so nowadays we stick to know land. I also run the quietest mufflers I can, don't ride early in the morning or late at night and generally not at all on Sundays - even on my own land for the neighbors sake. As has been mentioned and I agree, we have to project the best image we can. Clay

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There is so much land out west that it's not hard to find a place to ride at all. What is worrisome, as others have pointed out, is stumbling upon a drug cartel's grow operation, though oftentimes they are way off the beaten path, where motorcyclists don't even ride. I've thought about carrying a gun when I ride, but I'm not there yet. I'm in have fun mode, not gun battle mode. I like to think I can get away on my bike rather than having to resort to a Hollywood shootout.

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There is so much land out west that it's not hard to find a place to ride at all. What is worrisome, as others have pointed out, is stumbling upon a drug cartel's grow operation, though oftentimes they are way off the beaten path, where motorcyclists don't even ride. I've thought about carrying a gun when I ride, but I'm not there yet. I'm in have fun mode, not gun battle mode. I like to think I can get away on my bike rather than having to resort to a Hollywood shootout.

I carry every day whether I ride or not. where I ride in Oregon we have lions and bear everywhere. I figure if I wrap myself around a tree and cant get out I have 8 for the bear and 1 for me.

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Another thing that chaps me is how acceptable it is for snowmobiles to ride trails and not a atv or bikes! You can't tell me a new 150 hp spiked sled is going to do less damage to the trail as my soft tire atv?

First and foremost, you have to study the structure and history of snowmobiling vs dirt bike riding. Snowmobile clubs have been around for decades, and as a group, approach and work with landowners to obtain permission prior to entering and maintain access to those lands.

The snowmobile clubs here set in gates in fencelines where trails run through fenced pastures (their expense) and come spring will repair any damage done to that fence by riders who can't seem to manage a 16' wide gate. They flag and mark obstacles that are in and around the trail, they sign the intersection and crossings, they groom the trail, and most of all, if there isn't sufficient snow to prevent damage to the turf underneath (which by the way, is FROZEN), they close the trails.

In truth, a 150 hp studded sled riding on a groomed trail with a packed base of snow that is setting on frozen ground doesn't tear up the ground, the vegetation or loosen the soil and cause erosion.

I've on both sides of this issue, as a rider of sleds and bikes, and a landowner. Let me tell you this, I'm fed up with people trespassing. It's rude, disrespectful, and sets the landowner against you at every step. I can't tell you how many people have been escorted off my property while hunting without permission by the sheriff. Had they simply taken the time to ask, they'd have been not only granted permission, but given tips and pointers on where to find the critter they were in search of.

Just because "NO TRESPASSING" signs are not visible does not make that land a free-for-all playground.

Many riders need to take a hunters ethics course-the lessons are the same....if it's not public land that's legal to use, it's not your land, or you don't have permission to use that land, you STAY OUT!

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