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upgrading from a KX250F to a 450

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I have a 08 KX250F 3 years r that i have gotten very comfortable with. I mostly ride at our local sand dunes and sometimes i head to the mountains and ride trails. The bike has plenty of power for the trails but is severly lacking in the sand dunes which is where i mainly ride. i am 5'5" at 120 LBS 22 years old

My history of bikes-

1st bike - 87 KX80 - fast, liked the mx style suspension, hard to get running but expected for the age

2nd - 04 CRF100F - slow, didnt like the suspension for the sand dunes but was ok for trails. started 1st kick every time

3rd - 08 KX250F - power is good for trails but not for dunes, starts 1st kick every time, very reliable, BAD HANDLEBAR WOBBLE AT HIGH SPEED

I recently rode a friends 08 CRF450X (lights, electric start, ect...) at the sand dunes for a day. the power was amazing, did everything i wanted it to do. but his bike has a hard time starting / idling, would die if throttle was accelerated too fast and cut out. his family has 4 of these exact same bikes and it seems like they are always in the shop because they arnt running well. not sure due to poor shop mechanics or poor maintance. BUT one thing i loved was the steering stabilizer / dampner. the bike rode well at any speeds and almost eliminated arm pump. im not a honda fan but this bike was handling like a caddilac. i like my kawa but i hate the bar wobble at high speeds and the bars bucking left or right on rough terrain. it doesnt take long before arm pump settles in.

Im looking for a 450 MX bike (kawa, suz, yam, ktm, or possibly honda) that is reliable and has the stabilizer, i dont care about electric start really. i would rather use it as a backup if i needed it. i think my friends family got too dependant on the ES which is why they neglect tuning them. if my kawa doesnt start by the 3rd kick i look into why. They are honda fanatics but the are jelous on how easy my bike starts and runs.

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I have a 08 KX250F 3 years r that i have gotten very comfortable with. I mostly ride at our local sand dunes and sometimes i head to the mountains and ride trails. The bike has plenty of power for the trails but is severly lacking in the sand dunes which is where i mainly ride. i am 5'5" at 120 LBS 22 years old

My history of bikes-

1st bike - 87 KX80 - fast, liked the mx style suspension, hard to get running but expected for the age

2nd - 04 CRF100F - slow, didnt like the suspension for the sand dunes but was ok for trails. started 1st kick every time

3rd - 08 KX250F - power is good for trails but not for dunes, starts 1st kick every time, very reliable, BAD HANDLEBAR WOBBLE AT HIGH SPEED

I recently rode a friends 08 CRF450X (lights, electric start, ect...) at the sand dunes for a day. the power was amazing, did everything i wanted it to do. but his bike has a hard time starting / idling, would die if throttle was accelerated too fast and cut out. his family has 4 of these exact same bikes and it seems like they are always in the shop because they arnt running well. not sure due to poor shop mechanics or poor maintance. BUT one thing i loved was the steering stabilizer / dampner. the bike rode well at any speeds and almost eliminated arm pump. im not a honda fan but this bike was handling like a caddilac. i like my kawa but i hate the bar wobble at high speeds and the bars bucking left or right on rough terrain. it doesnt take long before arm pump settles in.

Im looking for a 450 MX bike (kawa, suz, yam, ktm, or possibly honda) that is reliable and has the stabilizer, i dont care about electric start really. i would rather use it as a backup if i needed it. i think my friends family got too dependant on the ES which is why they neglect tuning them. if my kawa doesnt start by the 3rd kick i look into why. They are honda fanatics but the are jelous on how easy my bike starts and runs.

im pretty sure none of the mx bikes come with a stabilzer, sounds like your bike is over sprung, and valving too stiff in the front forks. did you get your suspension setup for your weight? set the sag? adjust the height of the front forks in the triple clamps? lots of tuning options for the wobble. if you get a 450 you will definatley need new springs and probably valving. the 450x you rode has woods suspension which is more plush than a mx would be. you can add a stablizer to a bike, they are not cheap, and get your suspension done right for both look to spend $1000-$1500 depending on what you can do yourself. Edited by customss

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I have never had my forks set like you described. I had the bike in the shop last fall for new fork seals. I thought the guy would set them up for my weight and he knows I dune ride a lot. But maybe he didn't set them up the way I needed. Who has the most reliable engine in your opinion.

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I have never had my forks set like you described. I had the bike in the shop last fall for new fork seals. I thought the guy would set them up for my weight and he knows I dune ride a lot. But maybe he didn't set them up the way I needed. Who has the most reliable engine in your opinion.

having your bike set up for you makes a huge difference, all of the new 4 strokes can be very reliable with proper maintenance, change oil and filters often, and stay up with checking valves, if buying used just find a bike in the nicest shape for your $

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