Jump to content

Oldmossyspokes

Members
  • Content Count

    1,125
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    1

1 Follower

About Oldmossyspokes

  • Rank
    TT Gold Member

Profile Information

  • Gender
    Male
  • Location
    Washington
  • Interests
    I like Adventure...Bikes or not. Time spent in the mountains is time not wasted.

Recent Profile Visitors

3,319 profile views
  1. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Never mind, I googled it and read the whole piece on Wiki. Wow, I thought I had observed only V-Twins in Harleys and I'm not old enough to have ever seen a single cylinder one offered. It seems they are embarrassed about when the median aged rider of Harleys went passed 48 years old recently...now they won't disclose this information anymore. Only 15% of their bike owners are under 35 years old. At least I did get some confirmation about my insights toward the cultural thing on Wiki...Harley does know they blew it by supporting the whole "thug thing". Wonder if they'll ever dig out...might take a few generations for it to die off. (figurative mention)
  2. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    True...truth is good and so are those brands. Educate me please...does Harley make anything other than a "V-motor"? I personally have only rode one V-Twin in my life and it was a vibration prone POS in my opinion...but I got spoiled on inline fours at an early age. However I did ride a Yamaha VMAX once and that was stellar in my book.
  3. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    There are a few high end Harleys I wouldn't mind owning myself but then there's that other stuff that holds me back...I haven't seen the "hood rats" you describe and I only comment on what I have seen myself; I've been watching this Harley thing unfold since the seventies, it's undeniable. I personally have never been attacked by owners of anything other than a Harley. (I don't classify web trolling by KTMers as an attack ). I've been to a good many events sporting all brands Asian and European and have only seen a bit of click-ish behavior at those...never out right assault over brand choice. But I do live a pretty sheltered life up here in rural Washington state. I pretty much avoid anywhere that has something referred to as a "Hood". And as always, I'm just communicating my perspective derived for 45 years of conscious observation and 53 years of life experience. I work for a manufacturer of high end boats...we are very careful about the way people perceive our company culture.
  4. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    I have loads of respect for you Diverdown... Harley Davidson built the house they are living in, had they built it correctly we wouldn't feel this way about them...I wouldn't anyway. I have some old die-hard Harley owner friends that communicate this same stuff to me, they sometimes feel ashamed about the negative that Harley has embraced in the past and the association it brings upon them as individuals. These are good people that wish all Harley owners would lighten up a bit on attacking others for their product choices when those choices don't include a Harley. Brand loyalty shouldn't be a prelude to violence and intolerance. Nobody likes a bully.
  5. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    It's not about Where you're made...It's about What you're made of. Cultural attributes like Respect and Dignity matter these days. Harley Davidson can't ride the wave of Made in the USA anymore without some serious attention to perception of their culture. It's akin to owning a dog that growls and nips at everyone...no-one will come to your house anymore unless they are good friends with the dog, as long as the dog continues to treat them well. One bite and they'll be gone for as long as you own the dog. When the dog dies they'll come back...maybe; if you work it right.
  6. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Whoa hey...I wrote "perform the same or better" never did I accuse Harley of building performance.
  7. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    This one actually looks kinda bad ass but I don't get the obsession with the V-motor. Why does anyone desire to have that hot rear head right between their legs? Two cylinders next to each other, up front, makes more sense and can be engineered to perform exactly the same or better.
  8. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Touche.
  9. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Well that's unfortunate and a good point. Precisely why one isn't supposed to have sex with ones sister.
  10. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Wow, dual shock and right side up forks...that's cutting edge design Makes me want to go out and buy a Kirby vacuum.
  11. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Exactly, this is Harley's larger issue they are dealing with, whether they know it or not. Harley Davidson made a fortune associating their brand with a culture of violence, disrespect for humanity and inequality for women. This stigma they helped create is going to be really hard to put behind them. The culture around the planet is changing rapidly and the majority of people want all humans to be treated with respect and dignity. Buying a Harley is viewed by many to be risking association with this less than desirable behavior of the past. That is the larger issue, good luck back pedaling Harley, you have a lot of hoops to jump through before many of us would consider owning one of your machines...currently you do not reflect the perceived "American Way"; quite the opposite I must think. Bring respect for others to the culture of your brand first...work on that in a big way. It will help more than you know. Bullying is on it's way out and you must address this before you'll get any of my money or respect. I've been yelled and screamed at, threatened and treated really badly by Harley riders for simply owning a non American Made Motorcycle... THESE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS HARLEY DAVIDSON...THIS IS THE CULTURE YOU HELPED CREATE...FIX IT OR IGNORE IT; YOUR CHOICE. As always, this is just one mans opinion...or is it?
  12. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Working on some meaning for that acronym...this is like Rev 3 And the roast goes on...
  13. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    Harley is to motorcycles like Kirby is to vacuum cleaners. The only real difference is that Harley has been in business thirty years longer. They are both over priced, american made, too heavy and seldom ever make any real technological break through to add to their designs. They rely heavily on their cult like followings to keep them in business decade after decade, buying attachments and parts, plus gear. The newest Kirby still looks like my grandmothers did and weighs nearly thirty pounds. Come on Kirby, even a commercial Oreck vacuum only weighs 8 pounds! They both say "why change a good thing?" And they will both say it all the way out of business if they don't play some serious catching up. Change is good...imagine if we still used rotary dial phones and 8 track tapes, they were the best things going at the time. Innovate or dissipate...it's the rule these days.
  14. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    They were called "Lincoln Logs" back in those day's sonny.. Yes, they lack the necessary element of "creativity building" required to come up with cool stuff. Lego's are awesome! https://www.eghsguardian.com/3976/opinion/lincoln-logs-vs-legos/
  15. Oldmossyspokes

    Harley ADV bike.

    ...another facet to this here HD-ADV roast: The HD branded ADV riding gear alone will cost a small fortune...just to get riding the beast. Then there is the required new tattoo of the tactically dressed grizzly bear on a pile of rocks holding a Bowie knife in one paw that's clad is brass knuckles and an AR15 in the other, with the forest burning down in the back ground, of-course. And the exclusive campsites filled with groupies serving up Mountain House chili, granola bars and jello shots that will be needed (income opportunity)...not to mention the HD branded 50/50 tires with the rattle snake tread pattern and sporting the new "green walls". I wonder; will they make it with a simulated oil leak or a real one? (perhaps they'll use vegetable oil to reduce environmental impact). At least the wildlife will be safe; they'll hear them coming two canyons away. If this thing takes off every ADV accessible wilderness cabin in the country will be destroyed within the first five years, I suspect. They'll have to learn to make all the stringy shit to hang off the bike everywhere out of camo look 550 para-cord with antler clad studs and python fangs. I suppose it will have a compass and sextant holder option; vice GPS mount. Does anyone make Kevlar lined Cordura ass-less chaps yet? I can't wait to see the first set of luggage fabricated from a whole white tail deer at the local taxidermy shop (hair, antlers and all) kinda Giant Loop like ­čśë This is going to be interesting...Lord help us all. No really, I hope they do well and create some more competition, It'll bring the prices down for the rest of us that would never even consider riding an HDADV, no matter how good they self proclaim it is.
├Ś