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    CRF150R Trail Bike Conversion
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  1. Old Plonker

    200rr or ????

    I don't completely agree with you on this. If you said that a ride video shows more about the rider than it does the bike, I'd be with you completely. But when you listen to the sound of the bike with a range of rider skills, the full story (at least the full story of how the engine performs) begins to unfold. When you add to that the descriptions of their rides from a variety of testers, it informs your ears to the nuances of the engine sounds. Unless we're racers, we seldom get to ride a bike at the limits all the time. On a group ride, we're often behind someone who's slower than we'd like, so we know how a good bike sounds when we're just putting a gear or two high without much throttle. As @shrubitup observed about a previous video, when the rider was poking along, "...bike sounded rich above idle and then was fine more fully upon the needle." OK, that's probably a jetting problem, so no sweat. I would say that the bike goes good when you are not in "balls to the wall" mode. When you listen to the bike when ridden at real speed, it has that angry hornet sound of a tuned 125 ripping it up (can hardly hear gear changes, just a near-constant shriek). In the words of the anonymous tester that @Roon quoted above, "Compared to a typical 125, it has more bottom end, broader power/less hit, and revs out about as well. Also has an eagerness to pick up revs like a good 125." My ears tell me some of that, and the part about more bottom end and broader power with less hit is typical of good 200s. So no unpleasant surprises there. What I get from watching the videos and reading the reviews is that this is a bike I must ride, and I better be prepared to spend some money before I do! But, like you say, the proof is in the riding, not before.
  2. Old Plonker

    200rr or ????

    Some interesting numbers: These bikes are close to each other in specs, but I'm guessing that they are very different in character. I like the slightly longer stroke of the RR vs the EXC for bottom-end torque. In an article in the August 2005 issue of Dirt Bike, Dave Simon was quoted, regarding a 2005 200 EXC he built for Malcolm Smith, as having said that the stock 200 EXC made 36hp, and his mildly modded engine (exhaust port cleanup, flow splitters, and Gnarly w/TurbineCore) made 41hp with wide and smooth powerband. I'm guessing that the 200RR fits somewhere in that range. 2015 dyno chart showed the XT making about 33hp vs 300RR's 43hp. Edit: can't make this redundant chart go away.
  3. Old Plonker

    200rr or ????

    I want to hang out in Red's shop! I'll even bring some Moose Drool. The only thing is, where's the dart board?
  4. Old Plonker

    Beta Factory Demo tour coming

    If I hadn't fallen on my ass in the snow and wrecked my back I'd be there. Ride the 200 for us and let us in on its goodness?
  5. Old Plonker

    Plated bike

    Yeah!!!!! But there are so many plated smokers in CO that it's probably already taken.
  6. Old Plonker

    Beta Demo day 12/15 Dacono Colorado 200RR news

    I'll be out at Ram Off-Road Park in the Springs Saturday morning, but won't be riding due to injury. Looking forward to at least seeing and hearing the 200RR roosting, and talking to guys who get to ride it. I hope your daughter loves it! You too. Enjoy.
  7. Old Plonker

    KLX140G Performance Feedback Wanted

    @zrxer, this is a current thread on engine upgrades for the XR engine:
  8. Old Plonker

    KLX140G Performance Feedback Wanted

    If you are into projects, this is a good example of where you can go with an XR: This is the same @chadzu that's in the GPX thread above. As he says many times in many posts here and elsewhere, a build like this is never inexpensive, and he does them because he loves the shop time and the sense of fulfillment of creating something really special. Old-school becomes new in ways we wish the big manufacturers could understand and build for us. @woodsryder lucked out and found a custom BBR frame with a 218cc Powroll engine to build this 183 lb frankenbike: Too bad the pictures disappeared, because it is a pretty little bike. Anyway, good luck on your journey, and have fun with whatever you choose.
  9. Old Plonker

    KLX140G Performance Feedback Wanted

    Your "old-school" XR200R is probably a good size for you, weighs about 230lbs wet, and makes about 12hp (if it's still stock). The KLX140G is smaller and won't fit as well as the XR, weighs about 10lbs less wet and probably makes 10hp (if that). You can get it to maybe 12hp after the expenditure of too many $$$ to merit the modest boost. What if you could have a bike with the chassis and suspension of a '17 250 Husky, with a full 250cc derivative of the XR200R (CRF230 actually, but that is derived from the XR200, which is derived from an old XR100), for the same price (brand new) as the KLX140G? I learned about this bike from @chadzu and @Roostre over here: GPX actually has three bikes sharing (mostly) this game chassis, a 230cc two-stroke, a 250cc water-cooled four-stroke, and a 250cc airhead. Chad and Roostre chose the water-cooled variant, the FSE250R, which is what they write about in this thread. The one I'm talking about is the FSE250E: https://gpxmoto.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=5&product_id=74 The FSE250E weighs 230 gassed (no lights) and makes 20hp. The suspension is first-class (although Chad and Roostre went to 2.5 weight fork oil to mitigate some harshness in high-speed hits. The handling is '17 Husky, since the chassis is a direct enough clone that the body work from the Husky is all bolt-on. So, a full sized bike, with modern handling and suspension, weighing about the same as your "old-school" XR, with twice the power of the KLX at the same price. Something to think about.
  10. Old Plonker

    Rear brake pedal while standing downhill

    This! All of it. (Actually, I don't know about the boot sizing. I've never been that fastidious.) Hard-won wisdom I'd guess, but practice is what you do if you want to learn bike-control. Ride on the balls of your feet. Put the brake pedal where you can reach it while riding a long wheelie or doing a pivot turn. Legs loose to give the bike room to move. And practice everything: balance, pivot turns, braking going down hills, both sitting and standing (sometimes when sitting I would have my heel on the peg so I could pivot my foot for best angle on the brakes). You'll never find one perfect position for the brake pedal for all conditions, so, like @surfer-dude says, set you pedal high and practice moving your feet around on the pegs as conditions change.
  11. Old Plonker

    07 150rb new owner

    Which needle should I get? NMQS is stock '08+. The NMRS is identical, but the grooves are cut 1/2 a notch leaner, and is only necessary for very fine tuning. Good luck with your bike.
  12. Old Plonker

    07 150rb new owner

    Since you both have '07s, I suggest you check your jetting and needles. The '07 was harder to tune than the '08+ because of the needle. Honda changed the needle from the '07 NHNT (and 1/2 clip leaner NJAT) to the '08 NMQS (and 1/2 clip leaner NMRS) and went a step leaner on the pilot and richer on the main. Also, save yourselves some madness by installing a flex pilot screw. If you are riding trails, a flow-splitter like an FMF Snap makes the transition from off-idle to full-on power much smoother without as much of an abrupt and difficult to modulate surge.
  13. Old Plonker

    XRs Only Exhaust for 1983 XR200R

    +1 to this. I added a spark arrester with a turn down to the FMF can on my CRF150R/B and it really helped tame the bark of that little bitch.
  14. Old Plonker

    Anyones wife riding a 18/19' Beta 125 RR-S?

    Light? Over 250 lbs. for a 125 doesn't seem light to me. Getting 200cc out of the Minarelli motor shouldn't be hard, but a 20-30 lb. diet would not be easy.
  15. Old Plonker

    Anyones wife riding a 18/19' Beta 125 RR-S?

    It depends on where you live. Colorado is easy. California, not so much. Here, it's pretty much a VIN verification and a walkaround, then pay the fees and ride. All kinds of two-strokes running tags here.
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