It is usually the 18 year olds that are the frustrating source of such inane topics. Quoting Felixtimlock (in MY opinion, an equally silly name re:gasgas); "it would be confusing if manufacturers changed bike colors often". My 2nd. bike Yam. yz80D was yellow, next year my yz 80E was white, my wr400 many years later was blue. Ktms have been white and different shades of orange. Confusing, how so? When it comes to the critics of a brand, is it arrogance or ignorance? I suspect a bit of both. GasGas have improved the 450fse every year. Yes, 03/04 did have some reliability problems, but sorted as model year progressed, just like every other manufacturer. 06 model loved by most who have it. Read the forums at Smackover, you may learn something. I also find it laughable that the above topic originator probably transports his bike 1-2 hours drive from city(Melbourne pop. 3million plus) to ride in the "bush", yet availability of bikes within 30-45mins. of city(Dandenong/Frankston- suburbs). Go to www.dirtbikeworld.net.au, many tests on G.G. A recent (Feb.06'?) issue of Australasian dirtbike rated the GG 450 JUST behind the ktm- 6 or 7 bikes tested. I don't own a GG yet, so no bias distorts my view, but an 07 300ec or 450fse will be in the garage come next Feb. Too many owners absolutely RAVE about them. B.