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  1. I want to thank all of you for your posts and support. By posting this on here I have found 2 more eye witnesses. So now we have 6 total. The State is pressing charges against this kid and the court date is set for February 2006. You all have been a wondeful help. Thank you Sincerely, Holly Marple
  2. I am not trying to change any laws for anyone and I don't think that it has ever been suggested. The only laws that I have posted are the ones that I got off the police reoport. I am not going to sit back and let the law handle this. If I were to do so the report would not have been filed in my favor. Because I have pointed out to many facts to the CHP Office and to the DA's office and I would not have learned that this kid was involved or at least present at the accident 2 weeks before if I were not involved. There is a lot of information that I have came upon that the investigating officer missed. This is why the case is going to be reopened and the DA's office is going to hold off filing charges until the report is corrected and completed so that the charges that will be filed with stick in court and that is why I am asking for any and all help. I don't want to see this turn into a big war or a debate and fingers being point. I am just trying to bring justice to this accident and to get this kid and his parents to step and take their part of responsibility. Had the mother or father been involved from day 1, or had the family tried to contact us as parents of the deceased and acknowledged all of this I would not be pressing the officer to complete this report or the charges. But the fact that the kid lied to the police and the parents were covering everything up and hiding from the investigator and me for 3 weeks after the accident made it all come out and it made them look guilty and after speaking with the mother and her having no remorse or any kind words for me, instead I got a hard cold bitter woman that has cleary stated that her and her husbands life comes first and is more important then their own kids. And I can't start my healing process until justice is served and this empty void and all the unanswered questions are answered. But I don't want to see anyone on here stating anything that is not helpful because some of you are very kind and others are so rude and they just can't see the point that this kid is at fault and the police and the Da and the 4 eye witnesses have all clearly said yes he was in the wrong. So please from a greiving heart broken mother I am asking you all to stop the debate. I have not posted anything on here that is not a fact and that can't be back up by my paper trail. All the true facts and the completed and corrected police report will be in the newspapers within the next few days. The facts will be backed up with my paper trail that I have created. So please don't be the judge or judge me because you don't think that it is the true facts. They are the true hard facts that I have posted in every response. Again I ask stop the debating.
  3. First of all I would like to say that I hope all of you that have posted their thoughts and statements on here see this. I would like to say I am very thankful and proud of all that has been stated by you all. I was crushed at the first page or two of this post, but the out come is wonderful and heart warming. And I wish to thank all for coming around and helping and pointing out what this post is really about. I can't answer all of your points or questions but I would like to say that I have put myself threw a lot trying to get to the bottom of this horrible accident. I have not even started my healing process or my grieving. The reason is there is to many unanswered questions that is causing me to do so, 1 of them is I was not there when the accident happened. I was in Eugene OR and was not reachable until 3 or more hours later. So there for I am going through a lot of blame for not having made that phone call that morning to Brittney like I wanted to and I got so caught up in the rush of our preparing for the football game that I just didn't do it. I keep telling myself if I had, this would not have happened. If I had only stayed home so she could have come up for that 3 day weekend she would still be here. So because of this I can't go forward until I have all my questions answered. I have done my own investigation in this accident. The information I have uncovered about this boy and this family is the most maddening thing any of you could imagine. They way the investigation was done so poorly that the DA's office is saying that there is not enough information to make a correct opinion on the punishment. So over the weekend I went through that report so many times I know it word for word. I went through every news paper article and what I discovered was this. The investgating officer missed 3 eyewitnesses that saw the whole accident from the beginning to end. The one eyewitness stated that the father to Jordan was out at the accident right after his son was transported to the hospital and the investigating officer was still there and he did not even question that father. The boy Jordan had told the officer that went out there with him was not even a person. The father stated to this 1 eyewitness by the way says yes it was Jordan's fault and they were to far away to worn either person to move out of the way. They other 2 eyewitnesses say the samething. Anyway the first one stated that the father told her that the person that was with him was his younger brother not this Curly Smith. So Jordan lied to the officer. 2 the officer did not even start the investigation until 2 1/2 weeks after the accident. This officer stated to me that he had went out to the accident site a week after and said he did not see any bike parts to my daughters bike which my ex said yes there was still parts out there. And When I went to the site on the 16th of December her mouth piece was still laying where she had been laying, her grip to one of the handle bars was still out there on the other side of the track about 7 feet from where he bike landed at the point of impact. So either the cop lied to me about going back out there or he did not look very hard. This report is so incomplete that the DA can't take proper action. So I did more investigation and when I came up with some very important questions for the investigating officer and phoned him with the some questions, he was very cold, short, rude and did chose not to answer some of my questions because he knew he was caught by me. And he knows that I have been doing my own investigation. This is what his answer were to me Question 1} Why did you not pursue on getting the information on the Curly Smith kid? He answer I did not need to and that is all he would say. Question 2} Why did Jordan have to a spotter that he did not know. Wouldn't you think that if these 2 boys were out there together they would spot for each other? he said the answer to that question is irrelevant because he did not have a spotter at the time of the accident and that was all he could say. He told me that all of my questions were in the report and I should review it more closely. Question 3} If it is the law to have the certificate or to be with an adult why were these kids not citied when the first accident happened? He said that it was not there job to site everyone breaking the law. That it was up to the park ranger to do that. My statement to that was if you have 4 boys at there all under age and 1 dies and they all said that they were riding out there, you mean to tell me that at anytime in this investigation you did not see that these boys broke the law and gave a citation or a warning. Comment was it was not or job to do that. It would be up to the park ranger as I stated before. My statement was do you realize that you had the right to cite them at anytime if you felt they broke the law. He said that he did not feel it was needed. My statement was, do you realize that if you had taken the proper steps and these boys were warned or cited that Jordan would not have been back out there and my daughter would still be alive. Question 4} And you don't think that an accident were 1 person dies and it has been stated that Jordan was racing this kid and it was a possibility that he was the cause of this accident should not be cited or warned. He could not answer my question and said that I need to review the report again. Before he hung up on me I asked him if there was even an investigation done one the first death and he said that was all he had to say and he hung up. It took this officer almost 7 weeks to do a incomplete report. He did not even question the lady the had a statement in the paper that she saw the accident happen. He put a witness in the report that said he had seen Jordan ride out there days before the accident and the speed rate of 60 miles per hour is a correct speed for Jordan But this witness was not at the park until an hour after this accident. So I have took it upon myself to complete this investigation and I went to the newspapers and there is going to be a story in the Valley Mirror in about a week. There will be a story in the Chico ER by Sundays edition. This story is my interview and about how poor the investigation went and the lack of evidence and how the parents avoided the cops and me for 3 weeks after the accident. So if you all would like you can read about it in those papers. I have put the heat on the DA's office and the CHP to reopen the investigation. So at some point justice will be served. It will just take more time and a lot more heartache on my ex husband and me and prolong our healing and grieving. Jordan Thompson was on a 450 quad not sure the make but that was the size. Jordan was in 5th gear when his bike came to rest. The officer stated in the report that if he had been going slower he would have been able to avoid the accident. I hope that this has helped in anyway for some of your questions. If you would like you can e mail me at HDMarple@aol.com or PM me for futher information. There was an accident in SO CA over the holiday season and IT said that his name was Jordan at age 16. If any of thought that it was the same kid. It was not his last Name was Clark. Sorry this was so long but I am trying to clear up any questions that any of you had or have. Thank you again for any help and support. Holly
  4. You are correct I need to thank all of you for the great and caring responses that you have gave me. I didn't mean to leave out my thanks. But when I read these responses I get so caught up in the negative response that I forget about the positive response. So if I offended anyone I do apologize. When I posted my Request on here it was because I had such great support when posted my daughters memorial and it seemed like all of you stuck up for the good guy and you were so willing to help. But the more that gets posted the more I see that maybe I was in the wrong. I am sorry for there being so much posted about this accident. But coming from a grieving parent it is nice to see and hear of all the support because right now that is what is helping me get through each and every day and it shouldn't matter to anyone how much it is talked about if they care and are here for you! and if you are tired of reading about it don't open the post up. I would hope to think that if you were in my shoes that you would be doing the same thing I am and to look at others for support on here and hoping to get the answers you are looking for. Say that this was your child and you read all these negative posts on here wouldn't you be heart broken at this responses? and you would be more focused on them more because you are trying to get them to see and understand your side of things. Not that you mean to leave anyone out but to make them see the right side of things. All you people have to see my point wether you are in support of me or not. Put yourself in my shoes for a little while and then maybe you won't be so quick to judge. I don't want to start a war on here and I don't want this to turn out in a debate. I am just looking for someone to help all parties in this investigation. This posting was for me to try to get the information on this accident to help clear up some misunderstandings for all parties involved to get the right people to stand up and take their part. This is not meant to be taken the wrong way by anyone on my part and if it was I am sorry for that. Like I said I don't want a war or debate started just answers if there are any.
  5. First thing I would like to say is I have only posted 3 posts on here one the memorial page for my daughter and the other 2 are asking for information. I am not sure how to post and where to post this at. When I posted the first on stating the accident at black butte lake I felt that it was not clear on what I was looking for so I went back to change the title to make it more clear and that is when the 2nd post was created. All the other post regarding this accident were posted by a person that was helping me out and was trying to keep you all updated on the progress of the accident. So if there is any confussion I do apologize. You all have your own opinions on the fault of this 16 year old kid that caused the accident. But you have no idea the information that I discovered on this kid and his responsibility as a rider. He has no responsibility at all. He is out there riding very dangerously around this park that was full of people and other little kids. I know that when you are in a park that small and that many people you do what you can with extreme caution. The fact that this kid is going 60 miles an hour all over the park and around other little kids like they were not even there is wrong. He is just lucky that he didn't kill or hurt anymore than he did. And the fact that this kid was out there 2 weeks prior and his best friend was killed. This kid should not have been back out there at all. He broke that law and the fact that he went back out there against the law after he was warned that he is not allowed to ride with out the certificate or an adult makes it even more his fault. And I don't care if there was no postings of the rules the law states that you are not allowed to ride any faster than the laws requires if it is going to indanger the property or the lives of other people. 60 miles per hour is not a responsable rate of speed. And the fact that kid is lying to the cops about his spotter and this kid that he was out there with. I have discovered this morning that he in fact did not have a spotter at all that day. And there was nobody with him. There is a series of articles coming out in the Valley Mirror news paper and the Chico ER. So if you would like to find out the facts please keep checking these papers. After you read all the information on this kid and the fact that he was involved in both accidents maybe you would more understanding to how I feel. So for now please don't judge anyone and their ability of riding. I would not state any information on here if I did not know the facts. What I have posted in my request are the true facts. And if you are still protecting the kid that caused my daughters death than maybe you need to see all the pictures of my daughter lying there with her neck so disfigured and tracks up and over her bike and chest protector and helmet. I don't care how experienced you are if you are a responsible rider you would ride with extreme caution and respect other riders. Yes this kid will have to live with for the rest of his life but do you know how the rest of my life is going to be like. She was my only child. And to think that some of you could be so blind to the facts and be protecting this kid and his ability as a rider in this accident and the death of my daughter is just heart breaking.
  6. First of all I am new to this web site and so there for I don't know how to post a thread or where to post it. So if I took up so much so space on your forum I am sorry. You inconsiderate *******. Second thing if this was your child that got killed by a 16 year old kid that was going 60 miles an hour and was 3/12 feet up in the air and hit that child at chest height and then ran them over and they rolled a good 15 feet down the hill from where the bike landed I think that you would be doing the exact samething. Third thing I thouhgt that I would get a better response out of people on this web site due to there are so many riders on here that might not know that we need this information and is to afraid to come forward. Yes this kid is at fault and he is going to be punished by the law. And to have these witnesses or more information would be helpful with all parties involved. So like I said I am sorry that I took up space. Some of the people that have responded to my post and to the fallen rider memorial have been wonderful. And No I was not going to put this request on her memorial because that is for people that knew her to go there to remember her not to go and read about this horrible accident. But You people that have responded to this article have been rude and heart breaking to think that the space here is more important to you then the fact that us as the victim of this accident are looking for this very important information and would be willing to help. This letter is not asking people with no information to respond. So if you have a problem with this post and the fact that it might be on here 2 times and the 2nd one that you have responded to was posted as an accident, why don't you go post your comments somewhere else. And I should not have to take this time to respond to all you inconsiderate ******** and apologize for the mistake bit I am. And I hope to god that none of you ever have to go through what all of this family is going through. Another thing this is a free web site for all to post what they want and as often as they want so if you have a problem with it then I suggest that you just bypass this post and go pick on someone that is not going through hell right now or find another web site that would be willing to put up with your wise ass comments. For the last kid that said he was 16 years old. You better get some safety courses under your belt. Not just for you but for everyone that you are riding around and riding with. In CA it is the law if you are under 18 to have a safety course certificate or be with an adult that has the certificate.
  7. I am the mother of the 14 year old girl killed at black butte lake on 11-13-2005! I am looking for anyone that was there that day or with any information on this accident. It has been noted by 1 witness that there was a man out there video taping some of the riders that day and that might have gotten Jordan Riding at the park at the fast rate of speed and dangerous that was noted by the 1 witness. We are also looking for the person that was spotting for Jordan most of the morning. Jordan said that he had a spotter most of the day but did not have one at the time of this last jump. The investigating officer stated that Jordan Thompson went out to the park with a friend named Curly Smith but also stated that Jordan did not know how to get a hold of Curly and the investigating officer did not pursue to find any information on Curly Smith or list him as a witness on the police report. A private investigator has said that there is no such kid. He believes that Jordan just told the officer that for some unknown reason. We don't not know who was with Jordan, if anyone was with him at all the day of this accident. It has also been stated that Jordan Thompson was involved in the accident of his friend 2 weeks prior to this accident with my daughter, but has not yet to be proved. It is also stated by all parties involved in the investigation that Jordan Thompson is a dangerous rider and has no respect for other riders. It was stated by 1 witness that Jordan was riding around 5 and 6 year old kids on their little bikes at a very fast speed and he was riding past them as if they were not even there. I know that it is hard for anyone to come forward with any or all information due to you don't want to get involved. But I am asking you please to come forward and help bring justice to this horrible death of my daughter. This has been very difficult for me to handle and to deal with. She was my only child. This kid needs to be punished for this accident. This information could be the very thing that gets this kid off the tracks. I want him stopped and I want to keep him from putting anyone or another child in danger. Would if this was your child that he did this to and it could have very well been one of those little ones out there that he hit a long with my child, wouldn't you want people to come forward? I am sorry that the Army Corps have decided to shut the park down for good. I know that there is limited riding areas down there. And I know that this is not what my daughter would have wanted either. I do have some contact numbers if anyone would like them please let me know. I know that I would never go back to that park! I am not a rider and never have been one but Brittney and her father have been riding since they were 5 or 6 years old. And My ex has taught her that you need to ride with extreme caution and be alert and watch out for other riders. I also know that it is not the fault of the machine it is the rider that is in control of the machine. I know that this is a dangerous park and I know that with the right kind of people helping to make it a safer park you might be able to get it opened back up. Me I don't care if it ever opens up again. But like I said I know that my daughter would not want it closed down if there is away to make it safe. I feel that yes this park is somewhat at fault with the 2 accidents but I feel that Jordan Thompson was more at fault to due to lack of respect of other riders and lack of proper education And one other thing that has been really bothering me is if Jordan went out there with this Curly Smith kid, why did he have to have a spotter that he did not know. Why weren't these 2 kids spotting for each other? There are a lot of issues that don't add up on the 2 accidents so if anyone can please come forward with information please private message me or e mail me at HDMarple@aol.com. If you want to get the information please let me know and maybe you can get a meeting together with the head people of this park and see if there is not away to help make it a safer park to ride in and keep it open. I have been in contact with several people on this site and I am amazed and pleased at the amount of response I have got from them. And their out look on safety is just amazing as well. If everyone had the same feeling on safety and the respect they have for other riders and the safety the teach their children the accidents would not be as bad or maybe not as often. I wish that Jordan's parents were more involved in teaching their son more about the safety of being a rider as you all are with your kids. I would like to thank all of you for the help you have given me so far and for the help that you could give me. I want to also wish you all a Happy New Year. Sincerely, Holly Marple Note: Line breaks added by moderator Kev_XR to make this easier to read.
  8. I am glad to hear your son is okay. Thank you for the kind words as well. This has been extremely hard on me and my whole family. The support I have got from this wbe site has been unbelievable. And I can't say thank you enough to everyone. Holly
  9. I am the mother of the 14 year old girl killed at black butte lake on 11-13-2005! I am looking for anyone that was there that day or with any information on this accident. It has been noted by 1 wittness that there was a man out there video taping some of the riders that day and that might have gotten Jordan Riding at the park at the fast rate of speed and dangerous that was noted by the 1 witness. We are also looking for the person that was spotting for Jordan most of the morning. Jordan said that he had a spotter most of the day but did not have one at the time of this last jump. The investigating officer stated that Jordan Thompson went out to the park with a friend named Curly Smith but also stated that Jordan did not know how to get a hold of Curly and the investigating officer did not pursue to find any information on Curly Smith or list him as a witness on the police report. A private investigator has said that there is no such kid. He believs that Jordan just told the officer that for some unknown reason. We don't not know who was with Jordan, if anyone was with him at all the day of this accident. It has also been stated that Jordan Thompson was involved in the accident of his friend 2 weeks prior to this accident with my daughter, but has not yet to be proven. It is also stated by all parties involved in the investigation that Jordan Thompson is a dangerous rider and has no respect for other riders. It was stated by 1 witness that Jordan was riding around 5 and 6 year old kids on thier little bikes at a very fast speed and he was riding past them as if they were not even there. I know that it is hard for anyone to come forward with any or all information due to you don't want to get involved. But I am asking you please to come forward and help bring justice to this horrible death of my daughter. This has been very difficult for me to handle and to deal with. She was my only child. This kid needs to be punished for this accident. This information could be the very thing that gets this kid off the tracks. I want him stopped and I want to keep him from putting anyone or another child in danger. Would if this was your child that he did this to and it could have very well been one of those little ones out there that he hit a long with my child, wouldn't you want people to come forward? I am sorry that the Army Corps have decided to shut the park down for good. I know that there is limited riding areas down there. And I know that this is not what my daughter would have wanted either. I do have some contact numbers if anyone would like them please let me know. I know that I would never go back to that park! I am not a rider and never have been one but Brittney and her father have been riding since they were 5 or 6 years old. And My ex has taught her that you need to ride with extreme caution and be alert and watch out for other riders. I also know that it is not the fault of the machine it is the rider that is in control of the machine. I know that this is a dangerous park and I know that with the right kind of people helping to make it a safer park you might be able to get it opened back up. Me I don't care if it ever opens up again. But like I said I know that my daughter would not want it closed down if there is away to make it safe. I feel that yes this park is somewhat at fault with the 2 accidents but I feel that Jordan Thompson was more at fault to due to lack of respect of other riders and lack of proper education And one other thing that has been really bothering me is if Jordan went out there with this Curly Smith kid, why did he have to have a spotter that he did not know. Why weren't these 2 kids spotting for each other? There are a lot of issues that don't add up on the 2 accidents so if anyone can please come forward with information please private message me or e mail me at HDMarple@aol.com. If you want to get the information please let me know and maybe you can get a meeting together with the head people of this park and see if there is not away to help make it a safer park to ride in and keep it open. I have been in contact with several people on this site and I am amazed and pleased at the amount of response I have got from them. And their out look on safety is just amazing as well. If everyone had the same feeling on safety and the respect they have for other riders and the safety the teach thier children the accidents would not be as bad or maybe not as often. I wish that Jordans parents were more involved in teaching their son more about the safety of being a rider as you all are with your kids. I would like to thank all of you for the help you have given me so far and for the help that you could give me. I want to also wish you all a Happy New Year. Sincerely, Holly Marple [Note by L2F, TT moderator - this thread was merged with another thread with the same topic, which resulted in a few duplicate posts]
  10. The park is still closed and there is no word on if and when it will open. For information on the park please ask me and I will be glad to give it to you.
  11. In response to your quote and question You can find it under section 38503 of the California Vehicle Code. This section states that no person under the age of 18 years old shall operate an ATV on public lands of this state unless one of the following conditions is met. The person is in possession of an appropriate Safety Certificate issued by this state or any other state. The person is taken a prescribed safety course under the direct supervision of a certified ATV safety instructor. The person is under the direct supervision of an adult who has in their possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this or any other state. This section does not apply to two wheel motorcycles.
  12. Thank you very much for your kind words Holly
  13. Thank you for your kind words. I am sorry about your loss as well. I have never heard of this site until this morning. When Iwas speaking with my mother. My daughter was killed at Black Butte Lake by a 16 year old boy who now I know is being investigated not only in the accident of my daughters but a previous one 2 weeks prior. I have been investigating and trying to get in touch with the parents because since this accident with Brittney we have not heard from the parents of hte 16 year old boy and neither has the CHP. So my mother has been helping me and she came acrossed this site and was reading all the posts regarding Black Butte Lake and the 2 deaths with in 2 weeks of each other. I hope that you and your family are getting by ok. esc/W all these holidays coming up. She was my only Child so the holidays for me are a horrible. I wish you all the best and if I can do anything for you and your family please let me know. I am trying to keep busy just to keep myself from going insain. Take care and thank you for your kind words. Holly Marple
  14. Born August 14, 1991 to November 13, 2005. she was 14 years old when she was involved in an accident at Black Butte Lake. Brittney was the light of all ours lives. She touched so many people in her life. She had a smile that would light the room up everytime she walked in. It didn't matter what the situation was Brittney would always point out the positive and she could put a smile on your face. She was a very caring, giving, fun, loving and the best child anyone could ever think of having. She was involved in dirt bikes since she was 4 years old. She loved to ride with her dad. That is all she talked about with all her friends, is where they rode and what kind of bike she had and all the different sizes and kinds of bikes she has had in the past. She always looked so cute dressed up in all her riding gear. She had a love for horses and she was active in Swine 4-H. She leaves behind so many family and friends all over Oregon and Chico California. She is now my gaurdian angle. She will aways be remembered and loved and missed by us all. Here is the link to her memorial web page http://brittney-marple.memory-of.com/. If you have a problem veiwing this page please let me know. Holly Marple