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  1. johnsand

    Rhino Rollover

    The Yamaha Rhino has been recalled! http://cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09172.html Read all about the flaws of the Rhino: www.yamaha-rhino-information.com
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    Rhino suits

    The following are excerpts of SWORN testimony from KEY Yamaha people. The reasons there are ONLY excerpts is this is all right now I can make known to the public (talk boards, media, CPSC etc etc) CLICK THE LINKS, READ IT FOR YOURSELF Mr Ike Miyachi was in charge of development and quality assurance of the Rhino. There was nobody above him except the President Mr. Kato, and Mr Miyachi were the two principal engineers of the Rhino. 1) According to these documents the two principal engineers, My Miyachi and Mr. Kato stated they knew that the Rhino could tip over and could cause serious injuries. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%232%20PROOF.pdf 2) According to these documents the idea of a safety door or net WAS considered during the design stage . http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%233%20PROOF.pdf 3) According to these documents Yamaha NEVER conducted a test to determine if the Rhino would tip over at mid speed turns on flat ground. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%234.pdf 4) According to these documents Yamaha did no testing to determine if the vehicle did turn over what type of injuries or severity would result. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%235%20PROOF.pdf 5) Although dynamic tests and computer modeling were commonly used in the development of new vehicles, (According to these documents) Yamaha used neither in the development of the Rhino. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%236%20PROOF.pdf 6) According to these documents Mr Suzuki was asked if any tests were done to determine if there was any force on the outboard leg of a driver or passenger which would be sufficient to cause their leg to come out involuntarily if there was a rollover. He said NO TEST WAS DONE http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%237%20PROOF.pdf 7) According to these documents Mr Miyachi gave sworn testimony that Yamaha did NO testing to see what could happen to the human body if there was a tip over. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%238%20PROOF.pdf 8) According to these documents Yamaha never used doors during testing http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%239%20PROOF.pdf 9) According to these documents Yamaha never consulted bioengineers, biomechanical engineers, orthopedic surgeons or other experts to discuss possible leg injuries in a rollover. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2310%20PROOF.pdf 10) According to these documents there were no tests to measure centrifugal force exerted on an occupant during a tip-over. The centrifugal force could result in the leg or body being thrown out in a tip-over. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2311%20PROOF.pdf 11) According to these documents Mr Kato was asked why there is only one mention of a tip over in the testing reports when in actuality there were 20 known tip-overs. He answered there was no damage to the vehicle so no report was made. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2312%20A%20PROOF.pdf 12) Mr. Kato also gave sworn testimony that Yamaha did NOT use instrumented dummies to determine what forces would be exerted on the human body, nor did they use real humans http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2312b%20PROOF.pdf 13) Here is a Yamaha photograph from 2001 showing their notes about making changes to help secure the foot. This is a prototype vehicle, a prototype evolves into the finished product. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2313%20PROOF.pdf 14) Here are notes from a 2002 meeting where Casey Yoshida wants update on instability of the vehicle for further liability cases: http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2314%20mtg%20notes.pdf 15) Here is a 20 page report from a 3rd party engineer and his opinions of the stability of the Rhino, and the effectiveness of the seatbelt. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/Mike%20Burleson%20Report.pdf Speaking of seat belts........I have noticed MANY comments on MANY talk boards saying the stock seat belts are bad. 16) Here is a report from a Humans Factors expert explaining why just putting warning labels on something dangerous is generally ineffective. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/Edward%20Karnes%20PhD%20report.pdf 17) Sanctions AGAINST Yamaha. This is VERY interesting to anyone. BACKGROUND: When a person (or company) is sued they are required by law to surrender almost any document asked for. Then after that there are “depositions” (basically interviews by the opposing lawyer), he gets to interview the person. This is sworn testimony, after that is complete the person being interviewed has 30 days to review his statements for accuracy and change IF needed. Then he signs that he is swearing that it is all accurate. This one lawyer (Klein) who has handled MANY cases against Yamaha has repeatedly asked Yamaha executives if every document has been turned over, every time they say yes. Even the lawyer defending Yamaha confirms that. This questioning has happened many times over the period of 2005 - 2007. Then in late October 2008 suddenly over 4000 pages of NEW documents from Yamaha appear. The lawyer handling this case asked the judge for sanctions (punishment) against Yamaha for withholding such a vast amount of information. The lawyer sites a different case where a company did similar as was fined about $9 million. The interesting thing about this is approx. 12 days AFTER this was exposed Yamaha settled the case. I just wonder why the suddenly speedy settlement? Here is ALL the court documents on this: http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/Sanctions.pdf
  3. johnsand

    Rhino Rollover

    The following are excerpts of SWORN testimony from KEY Yamaha people. The reasons there are ONLY excerpts is this is all right now I can make known to the public (talk boards, media, CPSC etc etc) Click the links, read the actual docs for yourself Mr Ike Miyachi was in charge of development and quality assurance of the Rhino. There was nobody above him except the President Mr. Kato, and Mr Miyachi were the two principal engineers of the Rhino. 1) According to these documents the two principal engineers, My Miyachi and Mr. Kato stated they knew that the Rhino could tip over and could cause serious injuries. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%232%20PROOF.pdf 2) According to these documents the idea of a safety door or net WAS considered during the design stage . http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%233%20PROOF.pdf 3) According to these documents Yamaha NEVER conducted a test to determine if the Rhino would tip over at mid speed turns on flat ground. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%234.pdf 4) According to these documents Yamaha did no testing to determine if the vehicle did turn over what type of injuries or severity would result. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%235%20PROOF.pdf 5) Although dynamic tests and computer modeling were commonly used in the development of new vehicles, (According to these documents) Yamaha used neither in the development of the Rhino. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%236%20PROOF.pdf 6) According to these documents Mr Suzuki was asked if any tests were done to determine if there was any force on the outboard leg of a driver or passenger which would be sufficient to cause their leg to come out involuntarily if there was a rollover. He said NO TEST WAS DONE http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%237%20PROOF.pdf 7) According to these documents Mr Miyachi gave sworn testimony that Yamaha did NO testing to see what could happen to the human body if there was a tip over. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%238%20PROOF.pdf 8) According to these documents Yamaha never used doors during testing http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%239%20PROOF.pdf 9) According to these documents Yamaha never consulted bioengineers, biomechanical engineers, orthopedic surgeons or other experts to discuss possible leg injuries in a rollover. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2310%20PROOF.pdf 10) According to these documents there were no tests to measure centrifugal force exerted on an occupant during a tip-over. The centrifugal force could result in the leg or body being thrown out in a tip-over. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2311%20PROOF.pdf 11) According to these documents Mr Kato was asked why there is only one mention of a tip over in the testing reports when in actuality there were 20 known tip-overs. He answered there was no damage to the vehicle so no report was made. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2312%20A%20PROOF.pdf 12) Mr. Kato also gave sworn testimony that Yamaha did NOT use instrumented dummies to determine what forces would be exerted on the human body, nor did they use real humans http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2312b%20PROOF.pdf 13) Here is a Yamaha photograph from 2001 showing their notes about making changes to help secure the foot. This is a prototype vehicle, a prototype evolves into the finished product. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2313%20PROOF.pdf 14) Here are notes from a 2002 meeting where Casey Yoshida wants update on instability of the vehicle for further liability cases: http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/%2314%20mtg%20notes.pdf 15) Here is a 20 page report from a 3rd party engineer and his opinions of the stability of the Rhino, and the effectiveness of the seatbelt. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/Mike%20Burleson%20Report.pdf Speaking of seat belts........I have noticed MANY comments on MANY talk boards saying the stock seat belts are bad. 16) Here is a report from a Humans Factors expert explaining why just putting warning labels on something dangerous is generally ineffective. http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/Edward%20Karnes%20PhD%20report.pdf 17) Sanctions AGAINST Yamaha. This is VERY interesting to anyone. BACKGROUND: When a person (or company) is sued they are required by law to surrender almost any document asked for. Then after that there are “depositions” (basically interviews by the opposing lawyer), he gets to interview the person. This is sworn testimony, after that is complete the person being interviewed has 30 days to review his statements for accuracy and change IF needed. Then he signs that he is swearing that it is all accurate. This one lawyer (Klein) who has handled MANY cases against Yamaha has repeatedly asked Yamaha executives if every document has been turned over, every time they say yes. Even the lawyer defending Yamaha confirms that. This questioning has happened many times over the period of 2005 - 2007. Then in late October 2008 suddenly over 4000 pages of NEW documents from Yamaha appear. The lawyer handling this case asked the judge for sanctions (punishment) against Yamaha for withholding such a vast amount of information. The lawyer sites a different case where a company did similar as was fined about $9 million. The interesting thing about this is approx. 12 days AFTER this was exposed Yamaha settled the case. I just wonder why the suddenly speedy settlement? Here is ALL the court documents on this: http://web.me.com/yamaha.rhino/Site/Welcome__files/Sanctions.pdf
  4. johnsand

    Yamaha Rhino Dangers Media Update

    THe REAL issue is that Yamaha KNEW there were potiential problems BEFORE they released it: 1) On 7/12/2002 a report of a test drive rated the roll feeling at slow speed WORSE than expected, and cornering at low speed worse than expected 2) On October 2003 2 vehicles tipped over at dealerships by dealership employees. The dealership (Triangle Cycles North; 2104 Riverside Drive; Danville Va) called Yamaha concerned about the safety of the vehicles 3) Yamaha’s engineering records show multiple records, which complain that the original design of the seatbelt was too tight, and the retractor locked prematurely. A May 2003 test report summary states “Seat belt locked too easily. Change the seat belt.” The main engineer Takanori Suzuki made the decision to change the seat belt to one that is LESS effective in a tip over event. 4) During the design and development Yamaha KNEW there were problems with leg restraint. An August 2001 memorandum the Engineering Division Manager stated the foot area was noticeably worse than expected, An August 2003 engineering meeting makes reference to the desire for a side panel above the frame tube. 5) Yamaha documented that its #1 priority is to keep the production schedule 6) Yamaha received over 200-customer call in complaints about the vehicle tipping over and limbs being damaged. There was even one DEATH. 7) In April 2005 Yamaha told one of its customers (on the call in complaints) we will consider putting leg restraints on. They did…in September 2007. 8) Yamaha’s project leader. Takanori Suzuki, was aware of the availability of leg restraints and doors by aftermarket companies. 9) Yamaha was aware of the potential of the Rhino tipping over. But did NO testing as to the reaction and movement of humans inside the vehicle in a tip over event. Nor did they do any testing with anthropomorphic crash test dummies. Yet, Yamaha OWNED these crash test dummies. 10) Yamaha admits they did NO dynamic rollover testing. 11) Sometime pre 2006 Jean-Claude Olivier (the president of Yamaha of France) rolled over in a Rhino and broke one of his legs. As a result he required all Rhinos sold in France be equipped with a design feature to prevent ejection of the occupant or their limbs.
  5. 1) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122576165022595629.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs%3Dcomments (FRONT PAGE of Wall Street Journal) 2) http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aWz76lCkbfXA (Bloomberg Report) 3) http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/265697 (Arizonia Star) 4) Tomorrow (11/7/08) "Good Morning America" TV show
  6. Today Wall Street Journal has a FRONT PAGE article titled "U.S. Probes Off-Road Vehicles After a String of Deaths" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122576165022595629.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs%3Darticle Yes the article is about our little friend the Rhino. And yes.....it was me that contacted them and got their interest up. Pertty good.....FRONT PAGE! www.yamaha-rhino-information.com
  7. johnsand

    Rhino Rollover

    www.yamaha-rhino-information.com
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    2008 rhino info

    www.yamaha-rhino-information.com
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    2008 Yamaha Rhino...Anyone have one?

    Read this: www.yamaha-rhino-information.com
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    Yamaha Rhino Rollover

    Alot of the off road deaths are due to hitting a tree, going over a cliff etc. Not many are due to the vehicle tipping over and landing on you.
  11. johnsand

    Yamaha Yamaha Rhino Rollover

    I have posted before about my 10 year old daughter who was a passenger on a Yamaha Rhino, driven by an adult on FLAT ground. The Rhino tipped over killing my daughter. Many have said Rhinos just do not tip over on FLAT ground going at a moderate speed. Many have said a Rhino is not intended for recreational use. Many have said Yamaha has not been aware that they tip over. Many have said they had doors put on for safety. Here is my website with the results of my research. On it I will prove that Yamaha HAS know for YEARS they tip over, I will show you warnings and complaints from customers (on Yamaha's OWN letterhead) of them tipping over. A list of 150 lawsuits against Yamaha (on their OWN document). Their OWN advertisement, showing they ARE for recreational use (and high performance). Their OWN advertisement stating the purpose of the doors (not safety). And the US governments own investigation. No where could I find anything like this about any other brand side by side. My opinion is the problem is not with the side by side itself or the driver, but the way Yamaha made the Rhino. Here it is: http://www.yamaha-rhino-information.com Please check it out
  12. johnsand

    Rhino Rollover

    You are correct about the choices we all make, Especially as parents. The real sad part is neither my wife or myself made the choice to let her ride. We were not even given the oppertunity to ask "yes", "no", "who is driving", "what machine are you going to ride". Basically we were INFORMED that there was an accicdent in the field and our daughter was badly hurt. That is why in our case there is shared responsibilty. A lesson a wise person told me LONG ago. Whenever a kid asks for something YOU personally ask the parent if it is ok. Do not assume it is ok to allow another persons kid that "it is allowed".
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    Rhino Rollover

    But could you (or would you) sue IF your WR450 was designed in such a way that (just as an example) the shocks were not the proper ones for that bike and it caused you to fall over. Or (just an off handed example) if it was designed with the wheels and seat aligned slighty differently, and BECAUSE of that design it at times caused you to fall. It is not just the falling.....my understanding is (and this is what is supposedly in those documents that Yamaha wants kept private) that it was designed with a narrow wheel base to fit into a standard pick up truck to appeal to more buyers, it was also designed high off the ground to get over logs & rocks. Then (my understanding) the engineers said NO.....bad design, it will tip. Yamaha Execs said they want the thing on the market asap. It will be ok. (Now again, from what I have heard that is what is brought out in the depositions of all the Yamaha engineers, marketing people and Yamaha's in house lawyer.) IF (and I stress IF this is all factual then yes Yamaha does bear responsibilty. I have not seen those documents yet, and when I do I too will have to sign the "Protective Order" approved by a judge. That I will not give out any of the info found. Bottom line is Yamaha is NOT fighting these suits, they settle them and keep them from a full blows trial. WHY? I do not know. There are over 70 of these suits that I could find. Why does Yamaha not fight just ONE in a full blown trial set a precedent? I do not know. Why does Yamaha make sure all of the "discovery" documents are kept secret? The amount of testing? Test results? Discussions of safety between engineers? third party testing (outside of Yamaha) Optional design patterns? By the way, in my case Yamaha is NOT getting full blame, yes the people who decided to take her for a ride without checking with her parents, and without giving her a helmet do bear a large portion of responsibilty. I urge any of you to check it out. I supplied many links. A large portion of the court documents are PUBLIC, I will tell you or show you the courts, case number AND parties......look it up for yourself. Call those engineers, question them.....I did. DO NOT ACCECPT MY WORD, check it out. If you reimburse me I will mail you the hundreds of pages of various court records I have found. The information is out there.
  14. johnsand

    Rhino suits

    Thanks for your thoughts. No the blame is NOT being placed solely on Yamaha. You are correct there are many contributing parties that led to this, no one party is 100% at fault. As you said on the other experiences.....there was not a scratch or cut on her.
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    Rhino Rollover

    I personally think lawyers should NOT advertise. I personally HATE these guys ads you see late at night on TV. Or people who try to sue anyone for anything. I also think people should take responsibility for their own actions. Yes there are Yahoos who are drunk, others doing WILD things, we have all seen them. We have seen them tip over and beer come falling out. We have seen them push their vehicles well beyond the limit. Those people are dangerous to everyone. But.......all the suits against Yamaha are because the DESIGN is faulty AND Yamaha Execs were warned by their people in the design process. The wheels are too close together, it is too high off the ground, the rear wheels are locked together (no slip diff) there is no padding on the roll bar. Their SSF (static stability factor) is way too low, it would NEVER pass in a SUV, jeep or car. http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/safercar/menuitem.13dd5c887c7e1358fefe0a2f35a67789/?vgnextoid=5278e66aeee35110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD#ssf I am NOT a lawyer, but I can prove that what I am writing is 100% true. In the past 3 years there have been OVER 75 suits against Yamaha for the Rhino rolling over, many or on the Orange County Clerk of Courts web site: https://ocapps.occourts.org/CivilPub/DisplayCaseInformation.do?caseNbr=07CC11065&src=case_src_dtl Do a search under “business” for “Yamaha”. NOT ONE SUIT HAS YAMAHA MADE A MOTION TO THROW OUT OR HAVE DISMISSED. EVERY SUIT IS EITHER IN PROGRESS OR HAS BEEN SETTLED, IN FAVOR IF THE INJURED PERSON. The real interesting thing is this.......EVERY suit against Yamaha, they (Yamaha) gets a “Protective Order”. This order protects Yamaha when they turn over documents to the opposing lawyer. The documents HAVE to be returned or destroyed with in 30 days after the suit is finished. Some of the documents are the amount and degree of testing Yamaha did (if any). Some of the documents are testimony from the engineers in the research & development stages. There is testimony from about 20 different Yamaha executives with damaging comments, including Yamaha’ in house lawyer Roy Watson. Also included are any possible safety features designed but not installed (like doors). This is a fraction of what is in there. IF Yamaha is so squeaky clean, why not fight these suits and set a pattern? Their current pattern is to settle these cases AND to keep their documents quite. Why file motions to keep SELECT documents secret? Two engineering firms http://www.renfroe.com/ and http://www.sealcorp.com/atv-utility/atv-utility-testing.htmlin have proven that IF Yamaha spaced the wheels 4” further apart instead of tipping over at 12 mph, it will tip over at 30 MPH. (Call them and ask) The present of Yamaha of France Jean Claude Olivier (an accomplished racer) tipped over and broke HIS leg.......on flat ground. Then he made every Rhino that came in to France have doors (early design, leg minders, diagonal like bars). Jeep was sued because they had NO padding on the Roll Bars, they started padding them now. The SFI foundation has written roll bar padding standards (originally for cars and jeeps). Specification 45.1; 45.1.1; & 45.2.1: written 2/2/1995 was written because of the Jeep deal. Yamaha has chosen to ignore it. The roll bars have landed on atleast 13 peoples heads killing them. http://www.sfifoundation.com/ Yamaha says do NOT drive the Rhino on black top (or cement), they also say to be very careful on FLAT ground going SLOW speeds. When, where, and how are you to ride them. Yes, Yamaha has admitted they they do tip over on FLAT GROUND AT SLOW SPEEDS. The reason I know all of this is because my 10 year old daughters skull was crushed (LITERALLY) when a Rhino she was a passenger in tipped. The roll bar landed on her head. The police determined the driver was only going 10 to 12 MPH. They reconstructed the scene, I have the pictures of the land and tire indentations, he was making a gradual turn. This was investigated VERY throually for about 2 months by sheriffs, accident reconstruction specialists, and prosecuting attorney, and grand jury. The conclusion was he was not being reckless in any way. I personally have talked with the parents of 12 kids who have been killed the EXACT same way. When you see your 10 year old unconscious on a field and thick blood is pouring out of her ears and nose. Then when 24 hours later you have to allow the hospital to turn off the life support and explain to her 14 yr old and 8 yr old brothers that this is the end of their sister, you want answers. When this happens to your family you dig, and dig and dig until either you give up because there is nothing to find OR you find answers. As I said I feel we all need to be accountable for our actions.......including Yamaha.
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