that's just the 450's... 250 is on the gas all the way down the hill and about 1/3 throttle off the face if you got a good drive. plus it's a little bigger now and much bigger when you see it in person.
ping's commentary is some of the best commentary in recent years IMO. an asset to the mediocre coverage that OLN provides. I find myself still waiting for HD coverage from one of the networks... time for someone to step up